Search found 357 matches

by AngieH
Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:25 am
Forum: General
Topic: Dealing with "That's a Wolf!"
Replies: 90
Views: 1873

Re: Do people think your Tam is a wolf?

Being MORE opposed to wolf-dog breeding than any of Paka & Fable's accusers have ever been has put my girls well above suspicion. When someone occasionally asks if "they have any wolf in them" I reply "Oh! Heavens no! :shock: My condo association would make us move if we kept wolf-dogs." If they exp...
by AngieH
Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:24 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Heel work with two dogs
Replies: 7
Views: 307

Re: Heel work with two dogs

Thanks guys,
Using a splitter has made it easier to heal them both on the same side. I keep whichever one is is feeing "feisty" closest to me and the sister farther away actually helps control the sis-in-the-middle. The trick is identifying which one is feeling her oats at any given time. LOL
by AngieH
Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:12 am
Forum: General
Topic: UC Davis test results summary
Replies: 87
Views: 1869

Re: UC Davis test results summary

Paka and Fable tested "DOG". :D

But we are suprizes and a little dissapointed. We thought for sure they were angels. :twisted: 8-)

-A
by AngieH
Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:47 pm
Forum: Training
Topic: Heel work with two dogs
Replies: 7
Views: 307

Heel work with two dogs

Now that Fable has joined our household full time, I'm curious about how other multiple-dog families manage walks. Paka and Fable walk together nicely in casual situations with no play-fighting or leash tangling. But when going to dog-friendly stores, public street fairs and using busy metro-park pa...
by AngieH
Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:24 am
Forum: General
Topic: UC Davis test results summary
Replies: 87
Views: 1869

Re: UC Davis test results summary

Awaiting results for Paka and Fable... :)

Waiting... 8-) waiting... :? waiting... :roll:

-A
by AngieH
Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:27 pm
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

I thought I should share this info here as I feel it's important, but I won't mention the individual dogs names as the owners requested this info to be kept confidential. One dog from the 'Golden' litter (Heidi x Bodie), bred by Blustag, has tested negative for wolf content. One dog from the 'Golde...
by AngieH
Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:03 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Warm Welcome to Blufawn Sunshine on my Shoulders
Replies: 39
Views: 743

Re: Warm Welcome to Blufawn Sunshine on my Shoulders

Can't wait to see the first pics, but don't let our impatience rush you. Give that pup all the attention and TLC needed. We'll wait (eagerly) for you all to get out the camera once everything settles down.
by AngieH
Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:09 pm
Forum: General
Topic: external recognition/registration
Replies: 9
Views: 245

Re: external recognition/registration

I agree with you Angie. I would think to add credibility, we need someone who is a 3rd party to take care of the Registry. That would mean paying that person, though--I doubt very much that someone would want to take on all that work without compensation. And right now, I don't think the TDR is set...
by AngieH
Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:05 pm
Forum: General
Topic: external recognition/registration
Replies: 9
Views: 245

Re: external recognition/registration

I agree with you Angie. I would think to add credibility, we need someone who is a 3rd party to take care of the Registry. That would mean paying that person, though--I doubt very much that someone would want to take on all that work without compensation. And right now, I don't think the TDR is set...
by AngieH
Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:38 pm
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

Does the TDR have an official treasurer? If you set it up, I would be willing to contribute to a fund for Wolf-testing dogs in the database. (provided the results of any dog tested from that fund has the results published in the database) I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who would help financial...
by AngieH
Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:23 pm
Forum: General
Topic: external recognition/registration
Replies: 9
Views: 245

Re: external recognition/registration

I've asked this question of many "outside" breeders. "Why on earth would we want to register with the AKC?" Some understand why we wouldn't, and others think we're crazy for not wanting to try and eventually obtain it. I guess that's why I'm excited to potentially participate in the Rare Breed Club...
by AngieH
Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:09 pm
Forum: General
Topic: external recognition/registration
Replies: 9
Views: 245

external recognition/registration

Just curious; In light of the shenanigans of the former breed secretary and the vulnerability of registration documentation, has the TDR committee made any investigations in using the services of an external registration service? examples: http://www.akc.org/reg/fss_details.cfm http://en.wikipedia.o...
by AngieH
Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:13 pm
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

The most beautiful and "wolfy-ist" Tamaskan I have personally seen so far is Woulf (Blustag MenomineeOwl at J&J) She was reclassified "Tamaskan" though innitaly registered Utinogen. There is no "PolarSpeed" in her pedigree and none of the dogs suspected of Czk, Sar, or WD on the "Fable" website. I ...
by AngieH
Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:31 pm
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

It appears the visit to PolarSpeed kennels for wolf dogs happened after the development of the Utinogen and Northern Inuit. The most beautiful and "wolfy-ist" Tamaskan I have personally seen so far is Woulf (Blustag MenomineeOwl at J&J) She was reclassified "Tamaskan" though innitaly registered Utin...
by AngieH
Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:27 am
Forum: Videos
Topic: Rocky mountain High v's Spot
Replies: 4
Views: 209

Re: Rocky mountain High v's Spot

I love it when they're full of beans!
by AngieH
Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:26 am
Forum: Videos
Topic: Ayla :)
Replies: 23
Views: 480

Re: Ayla :)

So Sweet!
by AngieH
Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:16 pm
Forum: Sales Info
Topic: Registration/Pedigree as 'proof of quality'?
Replies: 24
Views: 459

Re: Registration/Pedigree as 'proof of quality'?

I have enjoyed a few hours browsing the Tamaskan Database Rahne has so generously spent so much of her time on, and it occurred to me... Maybe we already have the best of both worlds? My Paka & Fable *are* in the data base (to provide health info and contribute to a body of knowledge re: inheritance...
by AngieH
Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:36 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Tamaskan litters listing
Replies: 30
Views: 766

Re: Tamaskan litters listing

Mylingen wrote:Wow, Rahne, nice work!

Very nice! and though inflated to be misleading, Jenny was technically correct...
Blufawn wrote:The total number of Tamaskan in the world is a closely guarded secret, but I can tell you that it is much closer to the 1000 than it is to the 3000
:lol:
by AngieH
Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:33 am
Forum: General
Topic: Tamaskan Pedigree Database - Collecting Records
Replies: 68
Views: 1484

Re: Tamaskan Pedigree Database - Collecting Records

Check this out!

With the help of the data base, I have Paka and Fable's pedigree documented up to 8 generations back at one point!

http://www.familyecho.com/?p=START&c=cx ... 9812613098

Thanks Rahne!
by AngieH
Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:44 pm
Forum: Lounge Room
Topic: Facebook
Replies: 24
Views: 579

Re: Facebook

Sounds great.

Angie Hilbert and my profile pic is me with Paka standing in front of me wearing her prize ribbon. :D
by AngieH
Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:38 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Tamaskan Pedigree Database - Collecting Records
Replies: 68
Views: 1484

Re: Tamaskan Pedigree Database - Collecting Records

Rahne wrote:I have 72 dogs listed in the database right now! Still a lot are missing ;)

http://www.tamaskan-dog.org/database/home
It's an impressive effort! Thank you for all the time you have devoted to this. It looks wonderful.
by AngieH
Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:24 pm
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

Nice! So for breeders, pups could be declared "wolf-free" by parentage just like they can be declared "DM negative" by parentage making it unnecessary to test a litters produced by wolf-free dogs. This could really cut down on the ammount of testing necessary to get a clear picture of how widesprea...
by AngieH
Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:50 pm
Forum: Temperament
Topic: Silly things to be scared off.
Replies: 48
Views: 1224

Re: Silly things to be scared off.

Here's one: Paka is horrified of hot air balloons. A local tree-farm, greenhouse and landscaper operate a hot air balloon ride business with his farm advertised on the side. Paka took one look at the giant *thing* in the sky (big enough to crush the house!) and freaked out. Now every time she catche...
by AngieH
Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:01 am
Forum: Sales Info
Topic: Registration/Pedigree as 'proof of quality'?
Replies: 24
Views: 459

Re: Registration/Pedigree as 'proof of quality'?

I might look at this very conservative, so I hope you can handle, here goes ;) I have grown up with the rules - Pedigree papers (Studbook papers, Registration Papers,call it whatever you want to) is only given to dogs who's parent's live up to the rules set down by the Kennel Club (DKK). This means...
by AngieH
Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:49 am
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

One thing to keep in mind, can we be certain that 2 'clear' parents (testing negative for wolf content) won't produce a puppy that will test positive (depending what combination of genes are inherited)? In theory, yes, the pups should not test positive. If they do, then there might be an issue with...
by AngieH
Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:12 pm
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

... perhaps it should be up to the individual breeders if they want to do this test, and up to the potential buyers to seek out those breeders, over breeders that don't want to / can't afford it / can't be bothered / or are worried that the results could be used against them / etc. I would hope tha...
by AngieH
Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:50 pm
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

If there are species-specific markers, a false positive is not possible unless there is a mistake in the sample or in the procedures, i.e. human error. If there is a marker in the sample that is specific to wolves only, it has to have wolf ancestry. Same goes for paternity tests etc, there cannot b...
by AngieH
Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:30 am
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

Thank you for the collection of articles! It's just what I need for distraction over the next couple of days. I am fascenated and look forward to reading them. But since, as you pointed out, the *legal* community accepts these tests as fact, no one here has the luxury of rejecting them. In addition,...
by AngieH
Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:41 am
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

Awesome post and it was wonderful to finally meet you and Lorianne! I do have a question about the above information. Is it possible that fewer genes (as few as 38) *could* be sufficient when searching for genetic contributions from a much less similar organisim? I mean, to tell one white lab mouse...
by AngieH
Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:45 am
Forum: Sales Info
Topic: Registration/Pedigree as 'proof of quality'?
Replies: 24
Views: 459

Re: Registration/Pedigree as 'proof of quality'?

And now for the original question: Should pedigree dog + pedigree dog = pedigree pups? Even if the dame and sire are not healthy enough for breeding? On principle, I would say NO. If this should be an accidental mating (dogs will be dogs :D ), get the dogs scored ASAP, and if everything is OK, inkl...
by AngieH
Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:05 am
Forum: Sales Info
Topic: Registration/Pedigree as 'proof of quality'?
Replies: 24
Views: 459

Re: Registration/Pedigree as 'proof of quality'?

That's what I'm proposing. Thank you. That was very succinctly put. I'm not a native English speaker, so I need the semantic to make sure I get it right :D Other than that, it sounds like a compromise I could go for, IF the dog was clearly marked in the breeding dog database with some (short) reaso...
by AngieH
Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:53 am
Forum: Sales Info
Topic: Registration/Pedigree as 'proof of quality'?
Replies: 24
Views: 459

Re: Registration/Pedigree as 'proof of quality'?

Because then the TDR data base looses the dog's long term health reporting and census info. Even a non-quality dog may yield important information if it develops genetic conditions or helps establish a pattern of inheritance from quality parents farther back in the pedigree. Got it ;) So, if I get ...
by AngieH
Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:37 am
Forum: Sales Info
Topic: Registration/Pedigree as 'proof of quality'?
Replies: 24
Views: 459

Re: Registration/Pedigree as 'proof of quality'?

AngieH: Why not disqualify the dog from the register? If the dog shows exeptional traits, it could be reintroduced as a fondation dog, going through the TDR. Because then the TDR data base looses the dog's long term health reporting and census info. Even a non-quality dog may yield important inform...
by AngieH
Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:33 am
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

The population analysis uses 38 DNA markers for the subject which are compared against populations of known wolves and dogs. For comparison sake, when telling one of our clients the difference between different strains of mice, we use a panel of 96 markers (plus a few as controls). When telling our...
by AngieH
Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:13 am
Forum: Sales Info
Topic: Registration/Pedigree as 'proof of quality'?
Replies: 24
Views: 459

Re: Registration/Pedigree as 'proof of quality'?

Is this an "either/or" delema? Is it possible to have registration for all pedigreed dogs for census and health database purposes *and* an additional "certificate of quality" for Tamaskans eligible for breeding? Assuming, of course, they develop no future disqualifying health conditions or breed fau...
by AngieH
Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:21 pm
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

tigerstedt wrote:
Sylvaen wrote:GREAT post, Denver! Welcome to the forum and thanks for sharing this info - it certainly does provide plenty of food for thought! :D
Second that!

You rock!
by AngieH
Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:42 pm
Forum: Sales Info
Topic: Screening
Replies: 11
Views: 602

Re: Screening

In anticipation of screening, I wrote a letter of introduction volunteering all the "I was screened thoroughly" information. Then, through conversation the breeder had me elaborate and discuss my vision on what I wanted from a pet-relationship, what to expect, what I might have to consider etc. Expe...
by AngieH
Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:07 pm
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

The problem is not false positives but "false" negatives imho.. that a dog tests negative does not prove that the dog doesn't have recent wolf ancestry, it only proves that the dog did not inherit any of those genes with the markers they check for.. Here unfortunately.. the proof does not lie with ...
by AngieH
Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:14 pm
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

I know I for one just have ordered (recently) the UC Davis test, but I actually don't think we can make it a requirement, since it unlike ex. the DM test isn't 100% sure .. we can however plead the breeders and owners to do the test themselves for the Tamaskan as a whole sake and give in the result...
by AngieH
Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:24 am
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

Instead of all this rationalizing and justifying how "it's really not that bad, their behavior is pure dog and they're not illegal or anything as long as you have a dog license etc." I would be relieved to see a more remedial conversation. Something like, "Wow, we've all been tricked into owning a ...
by AngieH
Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:31 am
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

Just a thought, but I'm wondering if we're missing the whole point here. It's not about what's legal or about what the police can do to your dog based on the generation of wolf offspring your dog can be proven to be. That's just a side issue. It's a public relations concern not a legal one. I'm not ...
by AngieH
Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:10 pm
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

I am having my girls done with the help of my vet. The vet will scan the chips, take the swabs and receive the results from UC Davis on my behalf keeping the results in my girls' vet record and call me to pick of a copy for my personal records. Even as a just a private owner, I want *no one* to hav...
by AngieH
Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:54 pm
Forum: General
Topic: WOLF CONTENT
Replies: 364
Views: 9178

Re: WOLF CONTENT

Would people please think carefully before assuming that their dog has wolf behaviour. A lot of dogs in fact most dogs exhibit wolf behaviour of some description daily. The fact that 'some' people think that there is wolf in their dogs makes for paranoia and little things that their dogs do automat...
by AngieH
Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:03 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The "other" wolf content issue
Replies: 48
Views: 1201

Re: The "other" wolf content issue

I think many of you have missed the point.
So sorry, never mind.

Thank you to you who get it.

I don't go around persecuting wolf-dog owners and promoters.

I just didn't want to *be* one.
by AngieH
Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:58 pm
Forum: General
Topic: I am confused....
Replies: 46
Views: 1255

Re: I am confused....

My father always said, "One who cannot be trusted, must be watched." Would Lynn be willing to let her self be "watched" ? (as in, overseen, someone else holding the records, providing transparency in all things, being forthcoming with information instead of telling us she will only tell the truth if...
by AngieH
Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:20 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The "other" wolf content issue
Replies: 48
Views: 1201

Re: The "other" wolf content issue

4. Wether or not to renew my NTCA membership. STILL AT ISSUE All of the argument in favor of my continued participation in the TDR forum community applies to the NTCA. Then add on top of that, the fact NTCA supports our breed rescue and I believe very strongly that if you choose a pedigree dog inst...
by AngieH
Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:55 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The "other" wolf content issue
Replies: 48
Views: 1201

Re: The "other" wolf content issue

Alright, maybe I should untangle some of my concerns and puzzle this out one piece at a time.  1. Paka & Fable:  RESOLVED  The fact that I would not have persued Tamaskan ownership had I known they were (partly, a few lines) derived from wolf-dogs and/or breeds developed from contemporary wolves is ...
by AngieH
Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:20 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The "other" wolf content issue
Replies: 48
Views: 1201

Re: The "other" wolf content issue

This discussion for me throws into doubt the validity of the wolf test done. If dogs like Shar pei carry the marker how many other breeds also carry the marker and are any of those breeds used in the creation of the Tamaskan. What I am thinking is what percentage of Siberian Huskies, German Shepher...
by AngieH
Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:52 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The "other" wolf content issue
Replies: 48
Views: 1201

Re: The "other" wolf content issue

Lynwae wrote:Ok, I understand.
Don't know what to tell you :)
I think that, now that you have Paka and learnt (like we all dod) where she comes from, i guess you just have to find a way to keep loving tamaskan dogs for what they are, and not for what they used to be :)
Beautifully put.
by AngieH
Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:34 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The "other" wolf content issue
Replies: 48
Views: 1201

Re: The "other" wolf content issue

As far as we know, no wolf was hurt during the process of making the breed. There are, as nivenj said, a lot of northern dogs who are part wolf, due to natural crosses or bitches let in the wood when they were in heat on purpose. I do understand your statement, what is wild is meant to stay wild......