Health and behavior broblems, Lines Whitefang, Elsa, Hero

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Health and behavior broblems, Lines Whitefang, Elsa, Hero

Post by EssiK » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:52 pm

I dont know is there this kind of topic allready.
So, I'm really interested about behaivior, health and other problems in these lines:
- Whitefang/Valko
- Hero
- Blustag Elsa/Blustag Silver Wolf

They all are part of my own (And many of other) wolfdogs pedigree(s) and thats why I'd like to know about your problems. According to my understanding, these names can also be found from many of tamaskan dogs pedigrees.

There have been some addison and epilepsy on those lines.

One combination has produced addisons diseas. There have been two litters from this combination, but only younger litter was having problems with Addison. There was diseased dogs in this:
The combination was: Hero (sire: Moca x dam: Rania) x Gina (sire: Hero x dam: Blustag Elsa)

And one dog from:
Luka (swiss shephed) x Ronja (Hero x Dana)

And there have been also epilepsy on Hero and Whitefang lined dogs.
Whitefang x Sara (Hero x Elsa) - 1 dog, this dog got a small electric shock from cows electricfence few hours before shes death.
Fidel (Whitefang x Sara (Hero x Elsa) ) x Indy (Sepe (Hero x Dana) x Mimmi (Sepe (Hero x Dana) x Kaisu) - 1 dog from older litter, younger litter is healthy. Indy was allready pregnent when epilepsy in younger litter came to light.

In Whitefang line has also had behavioral problems, but I dont know very much about them. So I dont want to say things which I'm not sure.

These are all health problems what I know from these lines. So it would be nice to hear more, this would be also very important information to me and other wolfdog owners and breeders. Thank you allready and try to understand my writings. :)

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Re: Health and behavior broblems, Lines Whitefang, Elsa, Her

Post by Cornelia1986 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:20 pm

Thank you for starting this topic! I'm also curious what issues pop up in this lines! It is great that two different breeds with the same ancestrals start this discussion!
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Re: Health and behavior broblems, Lines Whitefang, Elsa, Her

Post by weylyn » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:00 pm

I have one where whitefang?Valko is his grandfather and have no issues at all......BUT I think the most behaviour problems in the tamaskan is mostly to blame because people thought they got a normal pet dog ;)

Rahne

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Post by Rahne » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:36 pm

My girl Konah is from Summer (Paloose x Whitefang/Valko) x Bobbi (pedigree Saarloos Wolfdog): http://www.tamaskan-dog.org/database/do ... g=pedigree
She has a wonderful temperament, very sweet and soft towards people and she also gets along great with other dogs (even though she's the QUEEN lol). She is fairly obedient, outgoing, and overall just very well behaved.

My boy Winter is from Heidi (Sara x Whitefang/Valko) x Bodie (Jodie/Henki x Jackal). Jodie/Henki is a litter sibling to Whitefang/Valko:
http://www.tamaskan-dog.org/database/do ... g=pedigree
He's a different story lol. He's insecure/fearful, he doesn't really trusts people (and he will bite when he feels seriously threatened)... though he is getting better for the most part. With other dogs he's terrible at the moment, he just want to jump on them to scare them away. Most other dogs don't just accept being jumped on like that so I cannot let him off the leash anymore as he would end up in fights the whole time. He's fine with me and my other dogs, his pack members, but untrustworthy with anyone else sadly.

Health wise they are both fine (so far).

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Post by Tiantai » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:56 am

Rahne, I hope your Winter's behaviour problems continue to improve and hopefully he'll become a more emotionally secured adult like your Konah with the passage of time. It's a shame that you had to go through a lot although I am still happy to see that he's under your care and NOT his flaming breeder. I hope he becomes a handsome young man like Valko was.
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Re: Health and behavior broblems, Lines Whitefang, Elsa, Her

Post by EssiK » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:37 am

My ex-wolfdog, Bianca, Valko x Wilma (Valko x Gina (Hero x Blustag Elsa) Was also very afraid of other people, at first when se came to me, she was afreid of me also. She was running away close to walls, jumping over tables and sofas etc, after few months she get used to me. When she was used to me, I started to bring my friends to my home to see Bianca and give her treads (but not touch her if she didnt want that) and after year she was much bravier than before and she was able to calm when there was visitors in my house, but she still was little scared unfamiliar people. Theres also much defecatingindoors - problems in the Valkos offsprings.. it taked like year to be fully housetrained..
Bianca was suffering separation anxiety or she was just frustrated, she destroied my window and door frames, broke one window and door, riped of some of my floor mat and opened all cabinet doors and dig all things to floors, and this was every time when i came home it doest matter was I gone ½ hours or 7 hours.. There was just few exsamples. It was horrible but that wasnt the reason why I gived her away, it was the escaping from fences, digging under even there was iron web(?) under sand and yeas she broked that window once. I builded the dog fence/outdoor cage to her, and improved it many times, but it didnt help, and my trust was lost so i stressed all the time and it was too much to me. I miss Bianca, but shes now in good home...

Rahne, Is Winter been with u since he was puppy, or is he came to u as older dog? Is there any other reasons him to be afreid of people? Like badly socialisig as a puppy? or anything? Bianca was badly sosialiced but her full brother who was living excatly same circumstances is very open personality. (Biacas brother is Brownie, and he is also Demons father) Ofcourse dogs own personality is the biggest thing what rules the behaivior...
Winter is looking so much like our Valko based wolfdogs here in finland. theres like 32% in winter, so it explains some of his behaivior problems. Winter is so handsome allready, when i saw first photo of him i added your site in my bookmarks ;)
It's hard to explain it in english, but i hope u can unterstand even something from my text :mrgreen: . I have so much to tell but i cant find the words.

Valko was also very challencing dog, and you can see it in his offsprings. In fact, I didnt never get to see Valko, before his euthanasia, but I'm friend of Valkos last owner (Biancas and Demons breeder) and we have had meny converation about Valko.

In the registry/database, theres reading Whitefang ''Offspring affected by Epilepsy'' have there been any epileptic dog in tamaskans?

Rahne

Re: Health and behavior broblems, Lines Whitefang, Elsa, Her

Post by Rahne » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:50 am

I got Winter when he was 11 weeks old, and I'm pretty certain he has been badly socialized (his breeder had 5 other litters at the same time and was moving house). Winter was afraid of me too when I just got him, he didn't let me pet him and would stay far away from me whenever possible. Some of his litter siblings had the same issues as him, and others have been doing fine right away. House-training took about 5 months (my girl Konah took twice as long so Winter wasn't too bad lol), and when he was smaller he didn't destroy anything. However when he was around 7 months or so he started to destroy everything! If I leave him now alone for just 5 minutes he will take something and chew it to pieces :twisted:

Whitefang/Valko has been marked for epilepsy because we heard some of his Finnish Wolfdog offspring suffered from epilepsy. We didn't have a case of epilepsy in the Tamaskan yet that comes from his bloodline.

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Re: Health and behavior broblems, Lines Whitefang, Elsa, Her

Post by EssiK » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:24 am

Okey, 5 more litters, thats really much.. :o Is Blustag still breeding tamaskans? I found facebook and homepages from net and I looked photos of those tamaskans.. Few dogs in those photos was so wolfish, but beautiful indeed..
And good if theres no epileptic dogs in tamaskans, we have only those 2-3 and few questionable cases..
Its funny how they start that destroing so late, my Demon started also like 7-8 months old (but he destroyd only little things like shoes and chewed table leggs a little) and now he isnt doing it anymore, but i dont even leave him alone (with 2 other dog friends) in the house. I take him to outdoor fence/cage when im away from home more than few hours. My shepherd or bulldog dont destroy anything, but shepherd was 3yo and bulldog was 5yo when they came to me, so they were adults..

But Winter is still young little man, hope he calms down a little when he is older :)

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Re: Health and behavior broblems, Lines Whitefang, Elsa, Her

Post by iamnic » Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:42 pm

I have 2 females (Naima and Kona) from the same litter as Winter, and both have polar opposite personalities.

We've had Naima since she was 8 wks old, and she has always been EXTREMELY outgoing. She loves people and will do anything for attention and petting. She plays wells with other dogs and loves to meet them, but to be honest she's more interested in playing with people. She has pretty gnarly separation anxiety (we can leave her for 1 hour tops before she starts trying to open our front door to find us), and as a result has been going to different dog sitters whenever we needed to go out alone since she was really young. My boyfriend also used to bring her to work with him so she was around people constantly--this may or may not have something to do with the temporary psychosis she experiences when she wants to meet someone new. Historically she hasn't been destructive unless left in the car. She's chewed through several seat belts. Aside from the separation anxiety, our biggest challenge with her is jumping on people and generally being overly excited. We're hoping that she'll calm down with age :)

Kona was rehomed with us when she was 6 months old. Before getting her, we were told that she was fearful of men and that she takes awhile to warm up to people. Fortunately for us, she warmed up to me and my boyfriend immediately and is extremely attached to Naima. She is definitely aloof compared to her sister, who will cuddle anything that is breathing. Kona would probably prefer to curl up on the other side of the room and watch you from afar. Similar to Winter, when she feels threatened she may nip. We've been working hard to curb this behavior and she has made a lot of improvement. I think that a large contributor was just building her confidence around people. After hours of training and socializing, she will now go up to strangers, men included, give them a sniff and allow them to pet her. She doesn't appreciate her space being invaded and prefers to meet people on her own schedule. She plays wells with other dogs, but is extremely protective of Naima. She is the only one that is allowed to play rough with her. Kona does have some separation anxiety if left completely alone (which is rare), but she has never been destructive.

Health wise, both girls are doing well.

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