Breeding Tika

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Breeding Tika

Post by KRHert » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:12 am

A few months ago I had posted a topic on the US Tamaskan Dog Club facebook group about breeding my dog Tika (Blustag Golden Sunrise). There were mixed feelings but in the end I think everyone wanted to know what her testing results would be. We have the results from all of her tests except one. Here are the results:
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Elbow scores - 0
Hip scores - 6
We are waiting on the OFA to give us the results of her eye test but this is the only test that might not come back favorably. She was found to have small cataracts (very small at this point) in both eyes and the backs of the eyes were not completely round. We are still waiting to find out if she will fail her eye test though.

In light of these results I wanted to see what everyone's thoughts are on breeding her. She has some genetic lines that might be beneficial to pass on (although I do understand the controversy with her litter). Once we receive the results we would need to decide quickly since she will be back in season around Thanksgiving (only goes into season once a year) and she will be 5 on her next birthday. Anyway I just wanted to see what everyone's thoughts on this would be.
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Re: Breeding Tika

Post by Booma » Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:58 am

nice hip and elbow scores. dm carrier will limit potential sires as you will need to find a dm free male.
you have just as much right as anyone else to breed their (healthy) dog as anyone else, despite the issues some of the other dogs in that litter have.
it will come down to the eye test results though.
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Re: Breeding Tika

Post by Valravn » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:38 pm

I don't know much about the situation but honestly, Tika isn't her litter mates. So as long as there is nothing wrong with her maybe just take extra care in selecting a male?
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Re: Breeding Tika

Post by Hawthorne » Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:14 pm

I think you should get a second opinion on her eyes. There are things that can happen to eyes such as injury that cause cataracts. I think it would be fine to breed her to a maie with a good eye result (actually--such as Darwin!) who is also older (Darwin is now 6) so increasing the chances that the male would not double up on the genes. I've heard at least one ophthalmologists opinion that we shouldn't be eliminating dogs based only on eyes. Especially because we are a rare breed. I think this would be a very good question for Carol Buchaut of the Canine Biology Institute. It would be a shame to lose Tika because I think she is the only remaining pup from the litter from which could be bred, correct?
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Re: Breeding Tika

Post by Katlin » Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:28 pm

I want to change my answer as I did not know she had eye issues. If an eye specialist has said something is wrong with her eyes that isn't related to trauma, then no you absolutely should not breed her.

Tracy Wylie was the only one from his litter that could be bred from, all his health testing was optimal, yet everyone said no because he was a cryp. Carol said that it would be a shame to not use him, and yet still everyone said no. If anything I would say breeding a dog with cataracts or a genetic eye condition is worse than trying to breed a cryp since cryp is fixed with a simple neuter, but eyes can be crippling later in life.

Then if Tika is allowed to breed, what about Talia, when does it end? No. IMHO if you make a rule against one dog you should stick to it. Eyes are nothing to fool around with. Sorry Katelyn, I know that's super tough (trust me, been there done that, spent almost $2000 to get Wylie perfect results back and still was denied). But again, eyes are nothing to fool around with.
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Re: Breeding Tika

Post by Booma » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:54 pm

yeh why not get a second opinion, but I have to agree with katlin about not using her if her eyes are bad.
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