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hello! Another from Maryland

Post by ggtb5 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:09 am

Hey all!

A little about myself first. My name is Shane and I live in Maryland, northeast of Baltimore. Growing up I had 3 dogs, 2 boxers and a pit/lab mix. These were separated such that I always had at least one up through college. Now that I am employed and out on my own I feel the time is almost right to bring a dog of my own into my life. In just about a month I will be moving from my current location where I am unable to have any pets because of my lease to another.

I'll keep this part short, but after researching which breeds might fit into my life it came down to either Tamaskan or Akita. What sold me on the Tamaskan, aside from the temperament, was the special care the breeders pay towards health. I'd be lying if appearance didn't also play a role :) . One thing is that I am dead set on a male dog. I'll be honest and say that I never came across the RPK or any of the other scams you guys have mentioned in my searching.

The only downside is that my future living arrangement might not include a yard. However, I don't think that will end up being too much a problem as I will have a lot of time to exercise and entertain my future dog. I work close to home, there are a lot of nearby dog parks and I am very active so plenty of running and excursions. I intend on treadmill training so he can be exercised when the weather is nasty or I am unable to bring the dog out myself.

Do you guys think that a Tamaskan could be right for me?

Also, if you guys don't mind my asking, which US breeders are actually active? Tarheel hasn't updated their website since 2009, two others I saw aren't breeding(1 from age and another due to complications?). I know that Hawthorne is active, but that is about it from my searching.

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Re: hello! Another from Maryland

Post by Booma » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:20 am

Hi there, welcome to the forum. I can't help too much with us breeders since I'm in another country, but theyre all on the forum so you can always PM them on here. I my opinion, not having a yard shouldn't hold you back much, as most people keep their tam inside (they're very good escape artists), and so long as they have somewhere to go to the toilet and are exercised it should be fine.
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Post by Rahne » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:47 am

Welcome :D

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Post by TerriHolt » Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:36 am

hi, and welcome. as long as they get the exercise needed, not having a garden shouldn't be a problem...
ggtb5 wrote:I'll be honest and say that I never came across the RPK or any of the other scams you guys have mentioned in my searching.
wow, you bring in the positive's already :D

hope you find everything you came to find and leave with a baby Tam :mrgreen:
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Post by Lynwae » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:44 am

Hi and welcome too :)

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Post by Blustag » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:46 am

Welcome to our forum :D

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Re: hello! Another from Maryland

Post by Dallas » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:55 pm

hey there and welcome to the forum :)
as Kyliedelonge already said it doesn't matter if you've got a yard or not as long as you have enough time to exercise them ;)
about the US breeders: just try to contact them on here or send them a mail, I'm sure they'll let you know about their future plans
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Post by ggtb5 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:41 pm

Thanks for the kind words!

I guess the major reason I mentioned the yard is that it is fairly common for shelters and breeders to not release dogs to a home without a yard and in some cases a six foot fence as well. I wanted to be open about that just in case it was a generally accepted policy among the breeders here and I had missed it.

Figured I might as well ask this here:
How are Tamaskans, specifically pups, when they are alone for a few hours? About 4 hours at a time. This is my main worry about the breed as they appear to be very social. A howling Tamaskan in a condo(should I end up in one) might be bad.

Most of you appear to have multiple pets so I haven't come across this on the board yet.

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Post by Booma » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:13 pm

Tams can suffer from separation anxiety. Another pet can keep them company, or you can gradually get them used to being alone starting at a small amount of time and working up to a few hours. They can get destructive too (some people have put up pix in a few threads) so crate training is probably a good idea if your renting. From what other people have said, some tams are more vocal than others. Doggy day care is also an option (though a bot expensive), if a friend has a dog, they could play together when youre not home, or there are people (although I don't know if anyone does it in the US) that will go to your house while youre at work and take your dog out to the toilet and play with them for a while.
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Post by HiTenshi16 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:18 pm

Hello Shane, welcome to the forum!
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Post by Sylvaen » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:37 pm

Welcome to the forum! :D
ggtb5 wrote:I guess the major reason I mentioned the yard is that it is fairly common for shelters and breeders to not release dogs to a home without a yard and in some cases a six foot fence as well. I wanted to be open about that just in case it was a generally accepted policy among the breeders here and I had missed it.
When I got my first Tamaskan puppy (Jasper) I was living in a large apartment with a small balcony (no garden) - as far as living indoors (and raising a puppy without outdoor access) - it IS doable but it does require quite a bit of extra work (regular potty walks, etc) compared to just opening the backdoor to let the dogs out into the yard. When they are indoors they are usually quite relaxed (especially if they get plenty of exercise when you take them out) even as puppies so an 'apartment tam' is certainly possible. That being said, pups that live in apartments and only get short bursts of exercise (during the day and longer exercise periods at the weekend) tend to develop more potential for hip problems compared to pups that have consistent outdoor access (where they can play for hours - gentle exercise over a long period)... running / playing on grass is also better for growing bones than slippery wood / tile floors (and you don't really want carpet flooring if the pup is still being housetrained). One more thing to think about is if your new apartment has an elevator or if the young pup will have to climb several flights of stairs (several times a day) just to get in and out. Climbing stairs should be avoided until a pup is at least 6 months old and they should be carried up (if possible) to avoid lasting damage to their joints... with large / heavy puppies it isn't always an option but this is another factor to keep in mind when it comes to having a puppy in an apartment. As for yard fencing, containment isn't really an issue unless they are left outdoors alone for hours at a time (and get bored) - especially if they are left there while you go to work, etc. My dogs are happy to stay in the yard while I am working at home, but when I leave for the day I always make sure they are safely locked in the house (in the dog room) so I don't have to worry about them getting loose. So far they've never tried escaping from my yard and the fence is only about 4.5 feet tall... so it's not really an issue. :)
ggtb5 wrote:How are Tamaskans, specifically pups, when they are alone for a few hours? About 4 hours at a time. This is my main worry about the breed as they appear to be very social. A howling Tamaskan in a condo(should I end up in one) might be bad.
I don't recommend leaving a Tamaskan pup home alone for the first 6 months (at least) - they can get themselves into all kinds of trouble in a short period so unless you have a totally 100% safe puppy room it's a much better idea to make sure that someone is always present to keep an eye on things. When they are young they tend to be very attached and will howl if you leave them alone... it takes a while and lots of practice but as they get older you can leave them for longer periods without too much anxiety. As adults, I now leave my Tams home alone for a few hours each day and no longer have any issues - they usually just sleep until I get home. ;)
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Post by ggtb5 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:59 pm

Kylie, Thanks again for the response! I've seen some of the pictures that you mentioned ;)

Crate training was one of the first things I had planned on! I think it is important that any dog view his crate as his safe place that he can go just to get away from everything and relax. I've found that that it goes a long way towards having a dog remain calm when left in the house. Unfortunately a dog that is calm isn't necessarily quiet. As for working on separation anxiety my plan was to take a week off and randomly "leave" for varying durations as you said.

My parents could watch him when the need called and as a bonus they have a pup themselves. I'd prefer to keep this a very rare occurrence though.

Sylvaen, thanks for the response! Fortunately I would have access to my own room for the pup since we are looking at 3 bedroom locations and my roommate is getting the master. As I said though, I would probably have the dog crated when I am not present. Also luckily, everywhere I'll be will either have elevators or ramps.

Another lucky thing is that I am entitled to an hour long lunch at my job so there's plenty of time to get home and wear the cute little bastard out for another nap. Though this wearing out would be from training for exactly the reasons you mentioned regarding hips and gentle play. It's amazing how fast a mental workout puts a dog to sleep :)

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Post by TParham86 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:30 pm

Welcome to the forum :P

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Post by JulieSmith » Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:27 pm

Welcome, looks like you have given this a lot of thought. I think the only area you may have problems is leaving the dog alone for a few hours while it is a puppy. I usually find for Saga a good walk so she is tired means I can leave her for a few hours with no problem, but I did have to build the time up slowly to start off with. On days I work (only 2 thankfully :D ) she goes to Doggy Day Care which I would recommend to anyone, not only does it tire her out but does wonders for her socialisation skills.

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Post by AZDehlin » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:06 pm

Welcome to the Forum...

I am a breeder in the USA although I am awaiting a female and my male is too young. Hawthorne recently had a litter, and Tarheel will hopefully be having a litter in the new few months... Though I think that is all the matings that are planned this year for the US. I would contact Tarheel on here as Hawthorne's litter is all accounted for. Other wise I believe there are other matings in the works for next year or importing is not out of the question.

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Post by ggtb5 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:47 pm

Thanks Julie, I absolutely have! That is also the thing I am worried most about. There is a lot to consider in that facet.

@AZDehlin...I actually messaged Tarheel on their website before posting here, but I never heard anything back (I may try again or PM them when ready). Heard about Hawthorne's litter but chose not to reach out though. Still doing research. I want to be absolutely certain that if I adopt a puppy, it will be completely happy. Anything less would be wrong.

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Post by michifloo » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:52 am

Hello, and welcome to the forum! Tarheel gets many, many inquires almost every day and cannot reply to all of them ;) All of thier dogs are family pets and they spend more time caring for them then trying to promote them ;) they are wonderful folks, so be patient! There is no harm in contacting Hawthorne, they plan on breeding again, so would be a great opportunity to establish a relationship now with them...
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Post by ggtb5 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:52 am

michifloo wrote:Hello, and welcome to the forum! Tarheel gets many, many inquires almost every day and cannot reply to all of them ;) All of thier dogs are family pets and they spend more time caring for them then trying to promote them ;) they are wonderful folks, so be patient! There is no harm in contacting Hawthorne, they plan on breeding again, so would be a great opportunity to establish a relationship now with them...

Haha, I figured it was something of that sort. I'm actually somewhat glad they didn't get back to me now, only mentioned it since somebody told me I should get in touch :). I think I'm going to hold off on getting in touch with a breeder at this moment though. I just want to be absolutely certain that a such needy puppy can accommodate the schedule I'll have before I bother any breeders. :)

Maybe I am going about this the wrong way on trying to decide the best course. I'll just put what I'll be able to provide to the potential pup here and see what you guys think as people who have actually lived with the breed.

Monday-Friday
~640am-740am Play, training, walking. Placed in crate and I go to work. Can potentially start earlier.
~1130am-1210pm Same as before, heavier emphasis on training to tire out the mind. Crated at the end.
Let out of crate at 4:30-5pm

Saturday-Sunday
Open schedule for training, socialization, play and bonding.

Nearby is my parents house. I could occasionally leave the pup there as my mom works from home and they have a dog. However, their dominance and lure based training methods are not compatible with clicker training. They are also stubborn.

I could swing doggy daycare twice a week.

The one idea I've had was to get a full size crate but partition it with an opening and place a puppy mat away from the bed in case he had to go before I got home. I'd set it up so he wouldn't have to see what he has done if it happens so he doesn't see it as messing where he sleeps.

That's the scenario I was able to come up with should I have such a young pup. I could swing 1 day alone with the above schedule the first few weeks, but I would build to more days over time. Thoughts? Don't worry about telling me a puppy isn't right for me. It's been on my mind that it's a possibility so I won't be too heartbroken :). I'll just have to bide my time and rescue one or make a pup my second dog

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Post by JulieSmith » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:38 pm

What about day care for half a day for 4 days, rather than 2 full days? It Is very tiring both physically and mentally so he would cope better on his own in the afternoon. Although you would have to make time to calm and settle before you left again.

Tams are very trainable so in theory your boy could be taught to cope with your schedule, but you would have to take it very slowly building up the time.

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Post by ggtb5 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:23 pm

Great idea! That's an arrangement that never occurred to me.

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Post by wicca1 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:39 pm

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Post by AZDehlin » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:50 am

ggtb5 wrote:

Monday-Friday
~640am-740am Play, training, walking. Placed in crate and I go to work. Can potentially start earlier.
~1130am-1210pm Same as before, heavier emphasis on training to tire out the mind. Crated at the end.
Let out of crate at 4:30-5pm

Saturday-Sunday
Open schedule for training, socialization, play and bonding.
With a schedule like this I would suggest having your puppy go to puppy school for a half day for everyday you will be working eight hours.

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Post by Eventide » Thu May 17, 2012 3:58 pm

I'm sorry to be so late seeing this post. I too am from Maryland and live in Frederick. I just recently adopted my male Tam, Max, from the Hawthorne litter (they also have two adult Tams, one of the litter pups, and an Australian shepherd mix rescue and are extremely dedicated to their dogs, and wonderful breeders-don't know what I'd do without their support). He is just so loveable, sweet, laid back, friendly, smart, smart, smart. Just graduated Puppy K and starts Level 1(Basic Manners) next week. I also work, but I work from home one day a week and am off every other Friday, and my husband is sem-retired,and usually home when I'm not. We do crate Max and he does well with 3-4 hours at a time and on days when my husband and I are both away (usually only mornings) I come home at lunch to let him out and my husand is usually home within a few hours. He adores small children and still hasn't found a dog/puppy he doesn't love to play with. I don't know if you have ever met a Tamaskan but maybe we could find a dog park somewhere in between so you could meet him. Might help with your decision for owning a Tamaskan.
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Post by Ciaobella » Sat May 19, 2012 2:48 am

Welcome Shane :D
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