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Hi from Paris, France ^^

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:06 am
by NekoCitron
Hi there ^^

I am French so English is obviously not my mother tongue.
I apologize in advance if I may write some broken English :p

I am not a Tamaskan owner but I am more an more interested by this breed and even more by this adventure you are living by creating a new dog breed. And what a wolfish dog breed !
I knew for years the Czech wolf dog (is it the name in English ? I just directly translate from the French "chien-loup tchécoslovaque) or the Sarloos wolf dog but I always was kind of unconvinced by 1. their very primitive/difficult personality, very unrecommended for not 'dog expert' 2. the skinny German Shepherd look they often have (I especially don't appreaciate the long ears).
So when I discovered the Tamaskan dog, I was so pleased to read the simple and clear objective of the breed : having a beautiful dog looking like a wolf BUT with a easy/pleasant dog personality :)
Congratulations for all the beautiful work you've done so far !

At first, I registered myself on the forum to learn more about this new ongoing breed and the breeding work you are doing. I am curious to understand the process of selection for "new blood line" in purpose of increasing the genetic diversity in the Tamaskan breed.
Then I started to read topics in the Breeding section and I realised that you often talked about possibly adding some Groenendael blood in the pool. I was a bit surprised to understand that this mix seems to not be so often used so far because I saw that one of the fundation dogs really looks like a Groenendael.
I saw that "recently" (2015), in the famous Sylvaen kennel, they used a White German Shepherd (in French we said "Berger Blanc Suisse" = "White Swiss Shepherd") for one of their litter (Aurora Litter 2015). In my opinion (but I am not a dog expert and I don't pretend to be, sorry if my English may sounds rude :oops: ), Groenendael may also be a good addition to the pool. Comparing to White German Shepherd, they have smaller ears, thinner and more wolfy muzzle, same kind of fur...

Why do I suddendly advocate for Groenendael ?
Because if I am not a Tamaskan owner, I am a very happy Groenendael owner so of course I think there are amazing dogs (like every happy owner should feel about their dog, right ? :lol: )
He is on my profile pic, his name is Minuit (Midnight in French) and he will be 8 months at the end of September ^^
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So, when I discovered on your forum that some of you may be interested with a mix with Groenendael, even for just a trial, some crazy project started to grow in my head (with a lot of "IF", of course).
But I am the kind of person who plan/learn a lot before doing something so I guess I am in the right place to ask questions and received advices first before thinking too far for nothing ^^

IF Minuit have good health tests (I know it is not before he is 1 year old ^^) : DM, dysplasia (hips and elbows), eyes checking (what else ?)
IF he matches with what the TDR is looking for outcross stud (is it the right term ?)
Do you think it is a reasonable idea to think about adding him in the adventure of the Tamaskan breed ?
I mean, he is only 8 months so I am just asking to know your opinions, advices, warning about this idea :)
I know I am new and I really don't want to appear like a foolish girl who comes with her stupid ideas :oops: But as my grandma always says : "There is no shame to ask." :)

Sorry for this very long presentation and thanks for those who had the courage to read it all ! :p

Re: Hi from Paris, France ^^

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:51 pm
by Booma
bienvenue! Your English is very good and I would not consider it broken at all.
A groenendael was added last year and all 5 pups were (in my opinion) quite lovely.

Re: Hi from Paris, France ^^

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:44 am
by NekoCitron
Thank you for your welcoming and your kindness about my English ^^

Do you have any link to website/facebook page/forum topic/whatever else about this groenendael mix litter, please ? I am very curious to have a look on what the lovely puppies (i don't doubt of it :p) look like, if they have met the expectations of their breeder (or not ?), the positive and negative of this mix...?
Thanks (even if you not have link :p)

Re: Hi from Paris, France ^^

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:27 pm
by Booma

Re: Hi from Paris, France ^^

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:16 am
by NekoCitron
Thank you very much for yiur quuck reply and the link ! I just ask to the group if they can add me :)

Thanks !

Re: Hi from Paris, France ^^

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:26 am
by Wolfsbane
Welcome :)
I was one of the advocates to have a Groenendaeler added as outcross! I was so happy when we found a Groenendael female in the Netherlands for an outcross litter. I know many people had doubts... but I was always convinced it would be an awesome outcross, and those pups have not dissapointed me! I certainly would not be against another Groenendael outcross mating in the future.

Re: Hi from Paris, France ^^

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:31 pm
by NekoCitron
Hi Wolfsbane and thanks for your welcoming ^^
So, were you part of this crossing with a Groenendael ? Did you use your Tamaskan for this cross ? Are the pups now registered as proper Tamaskan ? I wish I could see some pictures :p
I'm so curious, sorry ^///
I asked to the facebook Tamaskan group Booma put in link but I'm still waiting to be accepted :p

Re: Hi from Paris, France ^^

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:33 am
by Wolfsbane
NekoCitron wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:31 pm
Hi Wolfsbane and thanks for your welcoming ^^
So, were you part of this crossing with a Groenendael ? Did you use your Tamaskan for this cross ? Are the pups now registered as proper Tamaskan ? I wish I could see some pictures :p
I'm so curious, sorry ^///
I asked to the facebook Tamaskan group Booma put in link but I'm still waiting to be accepted :p
Well I met with the female to determine if she were going to make a suitable outcross, which I was positive about, and also helped look for a Tamaskan male to sire the litter. I own a female Tamaskan that turned out to be unsuitable for breeding... so no, my Tamaskan was not used for this cross. They are registered on conditional registration, which is standard for all outcross litters. Once they pass all health testing etc. they can get full registration.

Found some pics online:
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Mom Inara (Groenendaeler) on the right
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With dad Ravi (Tamaskan)
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Re: Hi from Paris, France ^^

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:37 am
by NekoCitron
Oh ! WOW !! They are beautiful !
Thanks Wolfsbane for sharing these pictures and for your involvement in this very nice cross !

I appreciate in particular the picture with their mom : we can really see that they genetically share something but how much the pups are bigger/stronger/wolfish than their mom.
Interesting to see that they took her nice thin muzzle :)

So, actually, the Groenendael solid black color is not "that" dominant, isn't it ? It looks like the pup have a dark/black (is it black grey ?) coat but with a lighter undercoat (?)
They seem to have a shorter coat than her Mom too, but a bit longer than their Dad ? Do they ? They kept their dad's short hair on their ears too.

This is really interesting ! Thanks ! :)

Re: Hi from Paris, France ^^

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:52 pm
by Wolfsbane
'We' were hoping for a nice mix. Dogs with long legs but a bit more bulk than purebred Groenendael, good sized ears, straight tails, nice slender muzzles but a bit less extreme as Groenendael. I think all of them turned out really nice and as we hoped! As for the colour, we expected (and hoped for!) that the dominant black mixed with agouti (aw) would give a black coat with 'grey phasing'. Making them look like black phase wild wolves in coloring. Fully solid black is unwanted in the Tamaskan. Some pups have more of this 'phasing' look than others from the litter.

Re: Hi from Paris, France ^^

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:18 am
by NekoCitron
Well, it is very nice litter then ^^
I hope they could be registered as proper Tamaskan when it will be time so they could participate to increase the gene diversity in Tamaskan dogs :)

Kind of encouraging in my "crazy idea" (IF Minuit is suitable) ;p

Thank you again for all these informations Wolfsbane ^^