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RightPuppy Visit / Brucellosis Risk

Post by Hiwatari » Sat May 07, 2011 8:52 pm

I plan to go to RPK soon so that he can see Akira and Rin. I'll see if he will let me take photos when I'm there. I'm not sure when I'll be going down, more then likely my next 4 day weekend. If I can, I would love to bring my pack over to play with the Tarheel Pack then as well. My friend Nikki and her girl Ula are going to be come as well to play with my pack again and she also wants to see his place.

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Re: RightPuppy Brucellosis

Post by Sylvaen » Sun May 08, 2011 2:28 am

Hiwatari wrote:I plan to go to RPK soon so that he can see Akira and Rin. I'll see if he will let me take photos when I'm there. I'm not sure when I'll be going down, more then likely my next 4 day weekend.
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Hiwatari wrote:If I can, I would love to bring my pack over to play with the Tarheel Pack then as well. My friend Nikki and her girl Ula are going to be come as well to play with my pack again and she also wants to see his place.
I don't want to be the party-pooper here, but IF there is still an active Brucellosis infection at RPK (even if the dogs are no longer infected, there might still be traces of the disease on / around the property) - it could be risky. It might not bother you, but IF Akira and Rin caught the infection or just carried it to the Tarheel pack, it could spread the disease to them... after the recent poisoning scare, it's almost an unnecessary risk - since they are such valuable breeding dogs and Brucellosis is such a serious disease. Personally, (if it were me) I wouldn't take my dogs anywhere near there if there is even the slightest chance that they might catch the disease or spread it to other dogs/people afterward. Perhaps it would be possible to meet with the Tarheel pack BEFORE going to RPK? Otherwise, it might be safer to go to RPK, then wait to get your dogs tested and once they have been cleared by the vet (proper bloodtest, not just a physical exam since many dogs show no symptoms at all even when they are heavily infected), then arrange a meeting with the Tarheel pack at a later date? I'm just thinking it might be necessary to take extra precautions as that would just be the icing on the cake... for RPK to spread his dogs' STDs to what he considers his 'competition' :roll: - hope me pointing this out doesn't give him any ideas...
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Re: RightPuppy Brucellosis

Post by Blustag » Sun May 08, 2011 10:50 am

The blood test for Brucellosis is very simple and straightforward. I had it done on my Malamute female before I went to a stud dog here in UK as she had been living out in Finland. She was clear and results were known in about 24 hours.

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Re: RightPuppy Brucellosis

Post by Hiwatari » Sun May 08, 2011 12:13 pm

All my dogs were tested for it after I picked Rin up and where fine. So unless he got it again after I was there, my dogs ran freely like they always do when there. Playing with Rocky, Rin and a few others, then going into the kennel area for him to grab Rin's papers. But i don't care where I go first. I just like showing them off and letting them meet new friends.

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Re: RightPuppy Brucellosis

Post by apanickyshiba » Sun May 08, 2011 3:25 pm

I agree that you should either visit Tarheel first, or wait until your dogs are re-tested after visiting RPK before visiting. After the incident that just happened with the anti-freeze poisoning that sounds incredibly immature to just go 'oh I just want to show off my dogs' and not take in consideration the health of the dogs you would be visiting. With the knowledge that a lot of Kevin's dogs have Brucellosis, if it was me I wouldn't let your dogs near mine after visiting RPK until I knew your dogs were in the clear, and I don't even breed, mine are purely family pets. :\

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Re: RightPuppy Brucellosis

Post by blufawn » Sun May 08, 2011 4:34 pm

I agree, there are quite a few people I know demanding Brucellosis tests before they will allow you to use their dog at stud, it is becoming a wide spread disease and good breeders are taking all precautions.

If I even suspected that a kennel had Brucellosis, I wouldnt even visit it myself, without my dogs for fear I would bring it home with me on my hands, shoes or clothing, dont forget humans can catch it too.

I think you are taking a BIG risk with your dogs just so they can socialise.
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Re: RightPuppy Brucellosis

Post by Katlin » Sun May 08, 2011 9:52 pm

blufawn wrote:I agree, there are quite a few people I know demanding Brucellosis tests before they will allow you to use their dog at stud, it is becoming a wide spread disease and good breeders are taking all precautions.

If I even suspected that a kennel had Brucellosis, I wouldnt even visit it myself, without my dogs for fear I would bring it home with me on my hands, shoes or clothing, dont forget humans can catch it too.

I think you are taking a BIG risk with your dogs just so they can socialise.
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Re: RightPuppy Brucellosis

Post by Hiwatari » Sun May 08, 2011 11:04 pm

I have been talking with John for sometime to have our dogs meet up and let me meet my dogs in person along with me meeting his. As for who my dogs see first it doesn't matter. Plus I'm not sure when I can and I was asking if it would be alright. I'm not going to stop by if they say no.

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Re: RightPuppy Brucellosis

Post by Sylvaen » Mon May 09, 2011 12:46 am

Hiwatari wrote:All my dogs were tested for it after I picked Rin up and where fine.
That's good... but it also depends how soon they were tested after exposure to the disease. For instance, if the dogs interacted with an infected animal and then they were tested for Brucellosis the very next day (or within the week) then the bloodtest would be clear. This is because the virus takes a little while to reach the body's organs and begin replicating: known as the 'incubation period'. I believe that Brucellosis has an incubation period of 1-3 weeks after initial exposure and a 'window period' (for which antibody levels can be tested) of around 2 weeks...
If the test result is normal, it means that Brucella antibodies were not identified. One should be cautious even with this normal result since few antibodies to Bruscella are likely to be produced in the initial period. This time period could be a couple of days after being exposed to this antigen to possibly weeks later.
http://www.medicalhealthtests.com/patho ... serum.html
If you tested 1 month after initial exposure and the result came back negative, then it should be safe to say that your dogs are clear. However, that's not to say that there might still be virus pathogens existing in or around his kennel environment, even long after the last infected dog has left or been 'treated' - keeping in mind that treatment is rarely effective as the virus simply becomes dormant in the body's cells and can flare up again at a later date... these 'treated' dogs can still be carriers (shedding the virus) and, thus, infectious to other dogs and people. Hopefully, if you ask RPK he will give you an honest answer about the risks involved - if it is truly 150% safe to take your dogs there or if there is a potential risk - hopefully he won't try to hide the truth from you, just to make himself look good, if it means putting your dogs' health at risk. He should be able to tell you when the last infected dog was on the property and if any others have been showing symptoms recently. Hopefully he has a quarantine section and utilizes footbaths, as with all professional breeders that have a medium-large scale operation, in addition to other health/safety measures?

I still think it would be a good idea to meet up with the Tarheel pack beforehand, just to be extra safe.
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Re: RightPuppy Brucellosis

Post by WhiteElkStag » Mon May 09, 2011 2:15 am

As someone with a vested interest in the sexual health of the Tarheel pack I would like to express my extreme discomfort with the idea of any dog which comes into contact with RPK subsequently interacting with the Tarheel pack. If you want to visit RPK, that is your prerogative, but please take into account the fact that the Tarheel pack is loved by everyone in the international Tamaskan community and don't do anything that would unduly endanger their health. Especially not after their recent miraculous recovery.
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Re: RightPuppy Brucellosis

Post by Hiwatari » Mon May 09, 2011 2:53 am

They were tested a month or a little more after, as I was in GA with them before going to WA, where they went to their Vet for a check up, yearly shots, (Rin getting her next puppy one the other just boosters) and where tested. Blood work done and stool tested (had to make sure Rin didn't have worms as she was very fat at pick up) all dog's and my cat came back fine and in great heath.

I wouldn't dream of doing anything that would hurt anyone's dogs or other pets. Again that would be why I'm asking. All it takes is a no and I'm fine. No hurt feels as they did just get over something I hope never happens to another animal.

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Re: RightPuppy Brucellosis

Post by Tarheel » Thu May 12, 2011 3:00 am

Hiwatari, If you do intend to visit Tarheel on your trip to see RPK. I would prefer you come to Tarheel first, and that you make arrangements with us prior to visiting.
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Re: RightPuppy Brucellosis

Post by Hiwatari » Thu May 12, 2011 4:12 am

Coming to your place first isn't a problem. I'll ask before hand if I can. I like to plan things out after all. So I'll try to give a months noticed and then reminders to make sure it's still alright.

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