''Volga Wolfhound'' scam --- Actually Tamaskans?

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Post by Luccistar » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:10 am

A while ago I stumbled across and ad advertising for a particular breed of ''wolfdogs'' for sale. The 'breeder' is one guy called Mark Dorey, who resides in Ontario. I was interested to purchase one of his animals, started driving to place a deposit but got lost on my way there, and had to go back home. When I came back home and opened my email to message him about the incident, I was disappointed to see he had sent me a life-threatening message. He said he'd break my collarbone, badly beat me and my family with his biker friends, mess up my house, etc. All because he assumed I was a scammer because I didn't make it to his house to place the deposit!

http://www.hoobly.com/vz59doatyn/magnif ... hounds.htm


I started talking with a very nice wolfdog breeder afterwards, who is now my friend, and she told me the guy had messed around with her too. Here's the evidence I gathered, proving he's just a scammer himself.

-One minute he claims his animals are wolfdogs (which are illegal in Ontario!!!) and the next minute, he says his dogs have NO wolf at all in their blood.
-He claims have retraced his dogs' ancestry back to the Ice Age, in the prehistoric wolves (haha!).
-He says his dogs don't bark, and don't make any sounds. Excuse me, but what dog -especially a ''wolfdog'' makes no sound at all?
-''Volga Wolfhounds'' are not registered with any popular kennel, canine association, whatsoever, and no dog breeder I've talked to knows about them.
-He bullies and makes up things about reputable wolfdog breeders from the US, such as Paradise Wolves, HC Wolves, Howling Hills, etc. saying their animals are underweight (which they clearly aren't!) that they're too small to be wolfdogs (when they are actually HUGE) and that they kill babies because they have German Shepherd in their blood. :roll:
-He says that all dogs are beautiful, and one second later, he says, and I here state what he sent me ''...one of those crappy skinny small animals. When you see the REAL deal walking down the street and it makes the shit animal you bought look so bad you want to stick your head in the ground, think of me and KNOW how full of shit you...'' and ''...mangy skinny fake animals''.
-The breeder from HC Wolves proposed Mark D. to make a DNA test on his animals, and see if they actually had any wolf in them, as he claims. HC Wolves was ready to pay for ALL the fees, but Mark denied the offer. Why deny something free that would give him a good reputation as an actual wolfdog breeder? Unless his dogs' ancestors are all lies....
-He sells his animals for $1500 (stated 1000$ on the ad, but 1500$-1800$ are the actual prices he spoke to me about via mail) while high quality wolfdogs are between 500-900$
-He keeps saying wolfdogs breeders from the US 'apparently' stole his ''Volga Wolfhound'' pictures to make them seem as if they were theirs... why would anyone want to steal a picture of a dog that does not look a bit like a high content wolfdog? My guess if that he stole pictures and just switched positions.

The list could go ooooooooon and oooooooooon, but I just want everyone to know; do NOT buy his animals, and just don't ever talk to him, unless you want to end up paying 1800$ for a mixed breed dog, or get threatened.

Anyways, lately, I have noticed that his animals (well the female) looked a bit like a Tamaskan, so know I am suspecting he might have bought a Tamaskan to breed with a husky or something like that? What do you guys think? Anything ''tamaskan-looking'' in these dogs?

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Post by HiTenshi16 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:16 am

Neither of them look Tamaskans. Guy definitely sounds like a scammer.
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Post by Sylvaen » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:35 am

He sounds like a nasty piece of work... and his Volga Wolfhounds are just low/no content wolfdogs - nothing special. He says they are very healthy, bla bla bla, but doesn't actually mention ANY health testing AT ALL! :shock:
Resilient and athletic, they never get sick. They don't suffer from hip and spinal disorders. No kidney or Neural disorders. In fact, no disorders of any kind. They will live long and remain healthy and active well into their teens.
Sure... :roll: :lol:
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Post by Luccistar » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:57 am

He sure is one! Ontario doesn't even allow low content wolfdogs, so if his animals really are what he claims them to be... that guy's in trouble, and could be reported anytime. But I wouldn't want the animals to be put down because of his stupidity, so I'll just keep this to myself. And we still have no proof whether they actually have wolf blood, they look more like husky crosses to me!

And isn't the health thing pathetic? I'm not a dog breed expert, but I haven't heard of any breed yet that has NO problem, not a single little one, at all! His Volga Wolfhounds sound like a fairytale :roll:

And HiTenshi16, thanks for the confirmation about if they were or not Tamaskans!

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Post by Sylvaen » Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:11 pm

Luccistar wrote:And isn't the health thing pathetic? I'm not a dog breed expert, but I haven't heard of any breed yet that has NO problem, not a single little one, at all! His Volga Wolfhounds sound like a fairytale :roll:
If he doesn't do any health tests, then he is only basing these facts on simply looking at the pups he produces (visual signs) - if one of those puppy owners had their dog hip scored or DM tested, they might be in for a nasty surprise!!

All his dogs look different - there is no uniformity / breed standard - just a bunch of mixbreed dogs producing pups for a BYB.
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Post by Luccistar » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:33 am

I know eh? I will attach a picture of one of his ''volga wolfhounds'' who looks pretty much like a Malamute cross to me. All the dogs are SO different, from one individual to another; some have narrow faces, longer and wider muzzles, and longer, pointier ears, while others have a more ''wolfy'' look with shorter ears, rounder faces, and a skinnier muzzle. Some are black sable, others fawn, beige, grey, and then, there are the ones with the husky patterns..... I can't see no pure breed in that.

This is what he told me a while ago : VWs (Volga Wolfhounds), ARE better than their dogs. PERIOD. They will last longer, never get sick, are pet and ALL people friendly, live longer and are smarter than what they have. Most of these guys grab up the first female german shepard they can find in heat and tie her to a tree in the bush for a few days. Then they hope for the best and say all sorts of BS to convinve you their animals are awesome.

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Post by Luccistar » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:40 am

Here's his latest ''volga wolfhound''
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Post by Tatzel » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:05 pm

Luccistar wrote:Here's his latest ''volga wolfhound''
Haha wow, what is the father of this, a Corgi? a Dachshund? These are pretty stumpy/short legs for a supposed wolfdog.
It's still a nice looking dog, but not what he claims to sell.

I've looked through the photos and almost all of his dogs look like regular nordic mixes with wolf-colors/maskings, nothing special. Maybe except for this guy, he actually looks like a low-content:
http://pics.hoobly.com/full/2bENrw5jaN.jpg

If you want to have a wolfdog with great temperament and proper breeding background, I would personally suggest Vicky Spencer. Though I'm not sure if she still breeds wolfdogs, she does breed Blue Bay Shepherds though (which have more or less recent wolf anciestry in them).

Edit: also do I read his ad right? Your first pick is more expensive than your second or 3rd pick? What sales stragedy is this, trying to milk potential buyers for the most money so they get the puppy of their choice? Weak!
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Post by Hawthorne » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:42 pm

never get sick? Perfect?
Yikes! Run as fast as you can away from this "breeder"
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Post by Nino » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:39 pm

Southern Breeze that breeds Blue Bay Shepherds (which have only had like 2 seasons of puppies which are mixes between gsd and wolfdogs) does as far as I understood on her bbs page not health test either, because the dogs are healthy she does not need to test then, only people with sick animals would test.. That was pretty much what she said if I remember correctly..
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Post by Sylvaen » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:18 am

Nino wrote:Southern Breeze that breeds Blue Bay Shepherds (which have only had like 2 seasons of puppies which are mixes between gsd and wolfdogs) does as far as I understood on her bbs page not health test either, because the dogs are healthy she does not need to test then, only people with sick animals would test.. That was pretty much what she said if I remember correctly..
I really don't like that mentality - if you don't test, how do you know?!
It's frustrating when people think that because they are 'wolfdogs' they are automatically immune or something... yes, purebred dogs DO have a higher risk of inherited genetic diseases (in general) but captive-bred wolves / wolfdogs are also at risk, IMO.
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Post by Luccistar » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:28 am

Sylvaen wrote: I really don't like that mentality - if you don't test, how do you know?!
It's frustrating when people think that because they are 'wolfdogs' they are automatically immune or something... yes, purebred dogs DO have a higher risk of inherited genetic diseases (in general) but captive-bred wolves / wolfdogs are also at risk, IMO.
I perfectly agree. Woldogs are often crossed with GSD, who are known for hip dysplasia. I don't know what genetic problems huskies and malamutes have (since these breeds are the ones often crossed with pure wolves) but they sure can't be 100% healthy. All dogs, ALL animals in fact, are constantly exposed to the risk of getting a problem/disease. Either because of their parents' genetics, they life conditions, how they were treated, the temperature they live in, etc.

And anyways, these ''Volga Wolfhounds'' aren't even wolfdogs :P that guy would be in dead trouble for keeping ''wolfdogs'' in Ontario, don't think he'd take that chance. He told one of my friends that he even owned pure wolves and has been owning them for many generations, and that apparently he kept some of them indoors -a wolf cannot be kept indoors unsupervised, unless crated- they become destructive if bored and alone, and free to roam in the whole house. Not stating that if wolfdogs, even if they're low content, are extremely illegal there, let's not talk about how illegal a wolf pet would be.

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Post by Tatzel » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:07 pm

From what I understand the GSD she's breeding with come from a kennel from France and are health tested, or at least hip-tested. She also stated she'll start to test the offspring as soon as she starts breeding with them. One can only hope that these animals are healthy.
And I agree, I don't understand the mentality of "they look healthy so they must be healthy" either.
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Post by Tiantai » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:05 pm

What a dumbass!
I know people who own true wolfdogs and coywolves here in Ontario and are forced to keep a low profile to avoid their animals getting taken away. This guy on the other hand just goes off bragging about his mutts and yet when I look at the pictures, they look NOTHING like any wolfdogs! What a rip off!
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Post by Luccistar » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:38 pm

Tiantai, you just said it all!
His dogs aren't ugly, they're cute. They look like malamutes or just mutts, however, he should STOP claiming they're wolfdogs. Wolfdogs are majestic, and have that wild beauty of the wolf; which these guys do NOT have.

Coywolves? Are you sure you didn't want to sayc coydogs? I think coywolves would looks too ''wolfy'' and wild to pass unnoticed. Do you have pictures of the coywolves? Never saw a real one in a picture, I'm really curious!

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Post by Tiantai » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:35 pm

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A coywolf is basically a hybrid between a coyote and a grey wolf or any animal who is descended from a mix of coyote and grey wolf. Sadly there's about hundreds of photos in my computer that I am not allowed to share in the public without the permission of the original owners (in some case for the safety of the animals) and those specific coywolves are among those. Maybe I should stop mentioning them actually... fortunately they live next to a forest and away from the cities so they have not been a problem to many people. They basically look close to this:

http://www.easterncoyoteresearch.com/

You've probably already have seen coywolves before and just didn't recognize that they're coywolves because many were previously listed as different animals. The Eastern wolves and Red wolves who were previously listed as species of wolves distinct from the grey wolves have been confirmed by DNA and mitochondrial DNA observation to be coywolves although there are those still attempting to pigeonhole them into distinct species :roll: . Eastern coyotes such as the ones in our region are also coywolves themselves, having small amounts of their DNA derived from grey wolves. Anyways, it's off topic so I'll leave it at that.

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When I said mutt, I basically meant "crossbreed", I did not intend to imply that they're ugly. I use that word to refer to any dog who is crossbred such as the Tamaskans themselves.
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Post by Luccistar » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:52 pm

Wow, beautiful animals indeed! And thank you for the information, I knew what they were but didn't know the details, especially those that our Eastern coyotes as coywolves! Nice to know. Explains their bigger size, too.

I agree, let's stop talking about it, to protect the safety of these animals and their owners.

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Post by cindy23323 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:52 pm

Luccistar wrote:A while ago I stumbled across and ad advertising for a particular breed of ''wolfdogs'' for sale. The 'breeder' is one guy called Mark Dorey, who resides in Ontario. I was interested to purchase one of his animals, started driving to place a deposit but got lost on my way there, and had to go back home. When I came back home and opened my email to message him about the incident, I was disappointed to see he had sent me a life-threatening message. He said he'd break my collarbone, badly beat me and my family with his biker friends, mess up my house, etc. All because he assumed I was a scammer because I didn't make it to his house to place the deposit!

http://www.hoobly.com/vz59doatyn/magnif ... hounds.htm


I started talking with a very nice wolfdog breeder afterwards, who is now my friend, and she told me the guy had messed around with her too. Here's the evidence I gathered, proving he's just a scammer himself.

-One minute he claims his animals are wolfdogs (which are illegal in Ontario!!!) and the next minute, he says his dogs have NO wolf at all in their blood.
-He claims have retraced his dogs' ancestry back to the Ice Age, in the prehistoric wolves (haha!).
-He says his dogs don't bark, and don't make any sounds. Excuse me, but what dog -especially a ''wolfdog'' makes no sound at all?
-''Volga Wolfhounds'' are not registered with any popular kennel, canine association, whatsoever, and no dog breeder I've talked to knows about them.
-He bullies and makes up things about reputable wolfdog breeders from the US, such as Paradise Wolves, HC Wolves, Howling Hills, etc. saying their animals are underweight (which they clearly aren't!) that they're too small to be wolfdogs (when they are actually HUGE) and that they kill babies because they have German Shepherd in their blood. :roll:
-He says that all dogs are beautiful, and one second later, he says, and I here state what he sent me ''...one of those crappy skinny small animals. When you see the REAL deal walking down the street and it makes the shit animal you bought look so bad you want to stick your head in the ground, think of me and KNOW how full of shit you...'' and ''...mangy skinny fake animals''.
-The breeder from HC Wolves proposed Mark D. to make a DNA test on his animals, and see if they actually had any wolf in them, as he claims. HC Wolves was ready to pay for ALL the fees, but Mark denied the offer. Why deny something free that would give him a good reputation as an actual wolfdog breeder? Unless his dogs' ancestors are all lies....
-He sells his animals for $1500 (stated 1000$ on the ad, but 1500$-1800$ are the actual prices he spoke to me about via mail) while high quality wolfdogs are between 500-900$
-He keeps saying wolfdogs breeders from the US 'apparently' stole his ''Volga Wolfhound'' pictures to make them seem as if they were theirs... why would anyone want to steal a picture of a dog that does not look a bit like a high content wolfdog? My guess if that he stole pictures and just switched positions.

The list could go ooooooooon and oooooooooon, but I just want everyone to know; do NOT buy his animals, and just don't ever talk to him, unless you want to end up paying 1800$ for a mixed breed dog, or get threatened.

Anyways, lately, I have noticed that his animals (well the female) looked a bit like a Tamaskan, so know I am suspecting he might have bought a Tamaskan to breed with a husky or something like that? What do you guys think? Anything ''tamaskan-looking'' in these dogs?
First paradise wolves is no better then the volga wolfhound guy, her animals are all low/no's besides the new black pup she got this passed year. She's constantly ripped people off claiming her pups were all highs. The only thing shes not doing that he is is breaking the law by living in a illegal area.
Second, isnt that the pot calling the kettle black by you claiming he's in a illegal area, yet are getting ready to purchase a wolfdog and you live in a illegal area also ( Quebec you can not own a wolf or wolfdog )

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Post by Sylvaen » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:05 pm

Latest post.... :roll: :roll:
You might notice that quite a few so called hybrid breeders do not like me and claim that my animals are fake. They have even stooped to lying about me and my animals. Keep in mind that they have ONLY ever seen their own skinny animals. Mostly what I see here is people trying to sell Husky Shepard crosses, Malamute Shepard crosses and pups from the first two animals they can get their hands on. One idiot even emailed me trying to argue that her DOGS were high content wolfdogs, They were OBVIOUSLY NOT. Lets set the record straight:

First off the guy from Quebec who I refused to sell an animal too. His online ID is luccistar. He claims he drove from Montreal to Hamilton Ontario in 2.5 hours. He called me from his cell phone and said he was lost. He also told me his cell phone didn't work and I would NOT be able to call him back. He also wouldn't give me a home phone number or a real address in Montreal. I gave him EASY directions as he claimed to be ONLY 3 blocks away. There is NO way this guy made it here from Montreal in less than 5 hours. This guy was shady from the start. I believed he was running a scam. Apparently he sells foxes or at least claims to. I was not about to risk one of my pups on this mess. I refused him flat out when none of his stories seemed possible, and as most contradicted themselves. He actually claimed to NOT be a breeder. It was not hard to find his ad as he used his online Identity to contact me. Nor was he able to describe a single landmark in Hamilton. If anything he sent a representative to get an animal, and was attempting to expand his business by selling MY animals. If my animals are NOT real and I run a Scam, then why did he spend weeks harassing me to get one even after I told him NO? I never threatened him or his family. He was spamming my email with so many stupid stories that just didn't seem right. The contradictions between his claims were enough to give me a bad feeling about him.

The idea that this pathetic loser claims I told him my animals are from a sabertoohed wolf from the ice age is ridiculous. He is angry because I wouldn't sell him a dog. His phone line didn't work. His cell phone didn't work, he is able to drive 5 hours in 2.5 hours, he advertises selling and breeding foxes, Claims it is his business. could not give me an address that was actually real, stumbled over his words when HE called ME from an apparently non working cell phone, Need I go further? That guy is way too delusional and had way to many impossible stories to own one of my animals. That was an attempt to create a wolf dog puppy mill if ever there was one.

Not a single person has ever asked to DNA test my animals, I have offered many times but they always decline because they know they will have no argument. NOR have they asked to come see them unless they were going to buy one (People ALWAYS buy one as soon as they see them). The same people often also tell me about the fakes and poor quality animals they have seen before meeting me. They also point out exactly WHO was selling WHAT. I, in turn, place that person or...ahem...kennel?...on a list that I use to assist folks in avoiding an unsuitable animal. I cannot stand it when decent people get scammed.

Be very careful about what folks say about these animals. Most use forums and such to bad mouth each other and it is quite pathetic. Some claim to be wolf specialists and all sorts of ridiculous things. They are not. They are usually scam artists.

I will not tell you that you cannot see the parents of the animal you are about to buy. I give access to the parents and pups on request with ONLY 2 exceptions. During Breeding and from birth to 4 weeks I will not allow them to be disturbed. ONLY mi children myself, and a couple trusted people handle the animals until they are 4 weeks. I also keep the pups an extra 2 weeks to ensure good health mentally, physically, and emotionally. I cover that extra cost over those two weeks for feeding and care to ensure YOU get an incredible companion.

So when you read the crap that they say about me realize that they do so because they cannot compete in any other way with me and my animals. NOT one of them has even ASKED to see my animals. So when they say these things realize they are liars from the start and be very careful about the crap they spew. My facilities are open for visitation.

If your Hybrid is a male and he is less than 100 lbs realize that the REAL DEAL CAN be found and THEY weigh far more than those poor tiny little dogs.

I have been enjoying the attempts that have been made to discredit me. So are the folks who ARE wolf researchers and have bought my animals.

If YOU are interested in seeing my animals ask, and I will definitely invite you to come and meet them. Interact with them. Get right in with the parents and pups.

For those of you who HAVE been bad mouthing me; Keep it up, I am down to one pup.
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Post by Luccistar » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:50 am

Haha, that guy thought a while ago that I was a man, and then suddenly he changed his mind and started saying I'm from the opposite gender (which is true). He also claimed, without even knowing me, that I was 12 y/o ''loser as fuck'' (as he stated), and that I only wanted to get one of his dogs to breed him/her in my personal, ''private puppy mill'' and get money for drugs by selling skinny, ugly animals (again, as he stated). :roll:
I can honestly only hope for the best for him, he's a really sad, and possibly lost case. I don't understand anyone making such claims as he did about me and numerous WD breeders across the border. I recently learnt that he is planning on buying a pure wolf from Skylar Breton (Noble Pawz) to breed with his supposed 'wolfdogs'. Not only that wolfdogs, of any content, are illegal in Ontario, but what about PURE wolves? If he gets caught with that animal in his private possession, he will get what he truly deserves (unfortunately, it won't be the same for the poor wolf that will most likely be seized and euthanized). Here are also some screenshots attached (I have a few others from other people but I decided two were enough, I will publish the others if anyone wants to see them though), written by some WD breeders in the States, that got bashed by him. I hope for the animals's sake, that this will be stopped. He seems like the puppy mill in this whole story, and his immature attitude doesn't help at all. (notice picture attached of his facility). :?
Lastly, he calls his dogs a breed, the Volga Wolfhound, yet there is no record of them being registered, with any kennel, not even a small association. They also have no breed standard whatsoever. I have several pictures of his dogs, and pups he's produced in the past, and their facial features, body length/shape, is not only slightly different from one individual to another, but very different. I can also provide pictures to see that on request.
Oh yeah, and he keeps saying how a real wolfdog should be at least 100lbs... ahem, pure wolves can be as light as 70lbs depending on each specie/sub-specie/gender/individual... it would take an exceptionally big dog to create 100lbs + wolfdogs from a 70lbs wolf and let's say, at max, a 90lbs northern breed of dog.
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Post by Tiantai » Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:54 am

:shock:
This person is really under some serious delusions. Ain't hard to see through THAT big lie!
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Post by Sylvaen » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:42 am

Can't you report him? He's claiming to sell wolfdogs in an area where wolfdogs are illegal, so let the authorities deal with him... ;)
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Post by Luccistar » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:47 am

Great idea Sylvaen. I'll gather as much information about him and his supposed wolfdogs and forward it to the authorities. We'll see how he will troll people around afterwards. ;)

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Post by Worboys89 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:32 pm

i have seen his animals personally it is true they are over 100 lbs+ the male was about 155 when i saw him and the female was about 130 lbs but she was prego at the time.. Also they are the price they are because he offers lifetime health guarantee which makes him accountable for certain genetic issues

to be honest his animals do truly make good pets, they are stable and gentle, the black phase male in the pic uploaded was about 5-6 months old in that pic and he weighed around 75 lbs... and he is much stockier then mine as mine is tall and not as thick

i myself have bought a pup from him and as of this moment my animal is 8 months old and 26" tall about 85-90 lbs and has been great since i was able to bring him home at 10 weeks.. i also get people asking me where i got him everywhere we go because of his great personality and stable temperament and of course his "wolfy" look. mine even won top of the class for level 1 and 2 puppy classes.

i would be willing to DNA test to solve this issue if anyone wants to pay for it as i bought my dog for a pet not as a bragging right. and as long as he is happy and healthy so am i.

again i am speaking first hand as i have seen and purchased one of his dogs and after people saw mine they had placed deposits for his upcoming littre.

im not here to discredit anyone just facts as i have been to his facilities and have had 1 on 1 times with all the animals there.

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Post by Worboys89 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:44 pm

also even IF you have issues with the breeder it would be unfair to take it out on his animals as its through no fault of their own they are where they are now and to put someone in a situation where he would have the possibility of losing his animals or having them destroyed would be a sad day and wouldn't change this situation at all.

again i am no expert don't claim to know everything about these breeds but have seen how great they are and whether they are "true" wolf or not they dont deserve to be put through the problems to come if info is given to authorities..

if you have issues with the breeder say what you will to people but dont make his animals suffer for your personal issues with him.

just ignore it

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Post by Luccistar » Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:36 pm

worboys89 I'm glad to hear your dog pleases you. I wasn't trying to discredit the dogs themselves, I love all animals and wouldn't want any of them to suffer. I rescue all kinds of dogs and cats and exotics. But some of the things the breeder has claimed just don't make sense (not only to me, I'm talking about the dog communities here.. like when he told a WD breeder that he retraced his dogs' ancestry back to the prehistoric wolves of the Ice Age or something like that, that's a bit off in my opinion.

But THE thing that bugs me in this whole story is that he claims them to be wolfdogs (okay, he has given them a new name the "Volga Wolfhound" but he still claims they have wolf in them and regardless of the name he gives them, the fact is, they still have wolf). And wolfdogs, regardless of their wolf percentage, are not legal in Ontario... why risk an animal's life by selling/breeding it in a province where they're not legal? contact Ontario's government to double check, they will all say it's illegal... it's a bit concerning for the animal's well being

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Post by Tiantai » Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:23 pm

:lol: He claims to have been tracing his dogs all the way back to the ICE AGE?

Pfffft!!! What a blatant liar! :roll:
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Post by Taz » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:10 pm

26 inches, so he'll probably end up around the height of my Estrela mountain dog then, really don't get the obsession with weight...so if an animal isn't over a certain weight it's not a propper wolfdog? So does that mean wolves which don't reach that aren't propper wolves?
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Post by TerriHolt » Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:16 pm

Worboys89 wrote:also even IF you have issues with the breeder it would be unfair to take it out on his animals as its through no fault of their own they are where they are now and to put someone in a situation where he would have the possibility of losing his animals or having them destroyed would be a sad day and wouldn't change this situation at all.

again i am no expert don't claim to know everything about these breeds but have seen how great they are and whether they are "true" wolf or not they dont deserve to be put through the problems to come if info is given to authorities..

if you have issues with the breeder say what you will to people but dont make his animals suffer for your personal issues with him.

just ignore it
Stating he is selling something that is illegal where he live's, he is bringing that on him self... Just saying.

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They are large and intimidating.
The first sentence in his sales pitch is risking the wrong kind of attention and risking the dogs ending up in the wrong home... I couldn't even imagine using that in any part of a sales pitch let alone the beginning...
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Post by Worboys89 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:46 am

that is true they are illegal to own in Ontario and believe me i told him that his advertising strategy could do more harm then good. I have spoke with him many times and i have never heard about the linage being traced back to prehistoric times and once u purchase a pup he sends the history of the breed and a detailed care guide. in which neither mention anything about the "prehistoric heritage" ..

I also am aware that Luccaster has been going from form to form discussing the same issues which is still giving him advertisements and you are giving people someone to look up and research for themselves and they may have a better experience with him then u did..

Again i am no expert and don't have any real proof that his animals are hybrids but the law makes it illegal to even offer wolf mixes which i had brought to his attention...

Anyways my male is 8 months old around 90 lbs and 26" tall at the moment any guess on his weight and height when he is full grown? and how long does it take for a hybrid to reach full size compared to a average dog?

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Post by Taz » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:40 am

I'm not sure what an average dog is, but I'd think of him as a large breed dog in terms of development. At 8 months, he shouldn't have that much height left to gain, some yes, but not loads I'd guess.
As for weight, that will depend on genetics, diet and muscle mass built threw exercise, though obviously you need to be careful how much you subject him to whilst his joints and bones are still fusing.
It could be anywhere from 18 months to 3 years before he is considered physically and mentally mature, I'd say closer to 2/3 years.
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Post by Taz » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:59 am

At about 10 months, Cato my Estrela, was about 76 cms to the shoulder(29.9 inches)at 11 months he weighs 38.8 kgs(85 pounds)
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Post by Worboys89 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:46 pm

Wow that's awesome. Thanks..
As I live down at the beach I have just started running him behind the 4 wheeler.. Right now I put his weight vest on and he runs about 3 km 2 times a day.. Seems like he loves it.. As soon as I get on the quad he's ready to run.. I keep him running around 20-25 km for the 3 km and since I have started this program I have increased his raw diet to. 3-3.5% of his body weight per day..
Any other advice on how to keep him exercised and entertained.. I also strap on the roller blades and his harness and he pulls me around when the weather is nice.. I was told not to run him till around 6-8 months as like u said his joints r still soft..

Is what I'm doing now ok.. Or should I wait a little while longer before exercising him like I am now.. I don't run him all out just a nice steady pace.. He seems comfy around 20kmph

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Post by Cornelia1986 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:41 pm

Worboys89 wrote:Wow that's awesome. Thanks..
As I live down at the beach I have just started running him behind the 4 wheeler.. Right now I put his weight vest on and he runs about 3 km 2 times a day.. Seems like he loves it.. As soon as I get on the quad he's ready to run.. I keep him running around 20-25 km for the 3 km and since I have started this program I have increased his raw diet to. 3-3.5% of his body weight per day..
Any other advice on how to keep him exercised and entertained.. I also strap on the roller blades and his harness and he pulls me around when the weather is nice.. I was told not to run him till around 6-8 months as like u said his joints r still soft..

Is what I'm doing now ok.. Or should I wait a little while longer before exercising him like I am now.. I don't run him all out just a nice steady pace.. He seems comfy around 20kmph
You should wait until he is at least 2 years old before you start exercises like this! Be aware-this exercises will harm his hips! As your boy is getting very big you have to be double careful. I also think this weight vest is a really bad idea-until he is full matured his bone structure is too sensitive. I hope the other owners can give you some good advises how to entertain him/power him out.
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Post by Worboys89 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:16 pm

Yea ok ill take the vest off.. It was only extra 5 lbs.. But I would have thought. 3 km would have been a short enough run for him as if he was out in the wild wolves cover 500 square km area. My pup also came with health guarantee. So I figured he would be ok.. And when he's running around 20km he seems to be at a comfy trot.. But if u guys think its to much ill kick it back?

Just measured him and he is 28" tall not 26.. And I keep him fit on all raw diet nothing else as specified in my health guarantee.

I mean 3km is really not far. You would think a hour of fetch or at the dog park would be worse with all the jumping and stoping. Compared to a light run. That's my thinking is they are animals built to run.. Therefore if its done properly it should do more good then bad as long as its done within reason obv..

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Post by Taz » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:05 pm

Wild wolves don't typically have particularly long lives, not usually long enough for joint issues to become apparent, those who display early signs, will die pretty quick in most cases I'd presume. Plus, with domestic dogs, there have been cases where a dog has seemed fine, only to be hip x-rayed and found to be completely displastic, some can just seem to grin and bare it for want of a better phrase. I imagine there are wolves like that too.

At 8 months the growth plates haven't fully fused as the dog is still growing, to much rigorous exercise and acquired muscle mass can cause skeletal deformities.
I'd let him set the pace and let him take regular breaks. If he's running about playing, he's in control of how fast he wants to go, he can slow down when he starts to tire.
If you're on the move constantly, he'll not want to be left behind, so even if he might want to stop, he won't until exhaustion forces him.
Even if you think he can handle it, is there any harm in letting him stop for a sniff for a few minutes every so often?

I've no opinion on the health guarantee, no one can fully guarantee with 100% certainty any living thing against everything.

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Post by Worboys89 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:14 pm

No prob . I appreciate the advice .

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Post by Luccistar » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:49 pm

Workboy89, I saw in your profile picture your dog. What's his name? He looks cute. I did not want to offend you or anything. I just made this post with a bit of things I gathered from other people and from myself, as well as my knowledge of Ontario's laws. Yes, I admit, this post has been made with some anger due to a ''fight'' I've had with Mark via email, in which he told me something that pretty much bothered me, but I do realize it wasn't right to discriminate the dogs, because they've done nothing wrong. If you want, you can start a thread in the "other dogs" section and publish pictures of your dog. Maybe you can show us what these dogs really are like! and I agree with the others about exercising so much when he's still so young!

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Post by Karen » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:46 am

there is nothing wrong with letting a dog run as sleddog from 8-10 months of age. Mine do as well. But... : In a safe place of the team, so they dont have to pull all the weight. Running in a straight line is indeed much better for a dog then running/playing/jumping in the park with a ball or other dogs.
3km is a good distance, but beware of the strength you put on him. Big dogs are even more fragile than husky's and you have a big boy.
There is no need to wait till he is 2 years old, but you do have to think about what you let him pull.

What a lot of people do in warmer periods or with young dogs ( as you dont have a team, this might also work) : Let them pull a tire.

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Post by Worboys89 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:44 pm

i have no problem posting pics if anyone wants to see other littermates. My dog is named Wiley he is a black phase. when i went to pick my pup i thought i was going to buy a sable male since they are more "wolf" looking then the black phase ones.. But Wiley was all over me so he was the one i had to bring home.. i dont have him pulling anything just running around with me and sometimes he will pull me on my rollerblades. or that 5lb vest. and again i have just started this routine as of beginning of march

I understand that Mark sometimes is a little intense and if you have any questions i will do my best to share any info that has been shared with me or that i have gathered since i purchased my Volga Wolfhound.

I have taken Wiley back to see his family a couple times and they play amazing the friendly temperament of this "breed" is pretty awesome i get compliments everywhere i go.. although i will take some credit as i have spent $ and lots of time working on his training, but he isnt destructive as long as hes entertained and i leave him alone in my house without worrying that i am going to come home to a disaster.. again that is something i have been working on since i got him home.. If anyone is interested in seeing more pics let me kno i would be glad to share, the litters come in multiple colour variations and i can send pics of what i have been sent as my friend has purchased a nice blonde female from his litter that he just had..

when i took wiley back the red sable male that Mark kept was even bigger then mine, mine was about as tall but his was a lot heavier. But as i work outside in the forest area mines out and about with me all the time getting tons of exercise and i keep mine on limited food as i think Mark free feeds..

Luccister did u add me to facebook? Anda? Trust me i know the laws regarding certain breeds as i DO work for the MNR and my area of expertise is in fish
and game.

Also the way i came across this breed is i was looking for a Tamaskan but couldnt find any breeders in the area.. so i went looked at his facilities and purchased a VW(volga wolfhound)

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Post by HiTenshi16 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:56 pm

If your profile photo is your Wiley, to me he looks like a mostly Malamute mix. Malamutes are also known to be quite large. I would not call your dog a hybrid (wrong term now anyways as wolfdog is more proper) but if you ask anyone who has a real wolfdog, I'm sure they would phenotype him as a regular dog (low/no content).
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Post by Worboys89 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:28 pm

I was looking for something low content.. As I wanted something As a pet not some wild animal. It's just his colours the sable ones look wolfy where as the black phase is more "malamutish" colours. Hair is a lot shorter then malamute head isn't as broad.. I think it's something u have to see first hand .. Hard to explain. Definitely not a high / medium content as that's not what I was looking for. Yet I still get people asking me about it at the dog parks.

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Post by Taz » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:00 pm

Would be great to see some pics.
I don't tend to put much stock in the general publics Opinion of what is a wolfdog, most think huskies look wolfy, some people even say my Estrela has a wolf look about him. I even heard one woman tell her child that's a wolfdog, presumably because he's big, hairy, has lightish eyes and tends to move with his head level or slightly lower than his shoulders. That's my guess anyway, because I don't see it... He's not even a wolf grey Estrela, he's fawn with a black mask.
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Post by Worboys89 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:18 pm

How can I post pics of his litter mates? Ill show u the more" wolfy"
Coloured ones.

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Worboys89 wrote:How can I post pics of his litter mates? Ill show u the more" wolfy"
Coloured ones.
Upload the pics to imageshack, photo bucket or something similar, then just paste the specific link, i just use the direct one, I'm lazy lol.

Unless you've got any on FB set to public, then.just link there.
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Post by Luccistar » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:02 am

Yes workboy it's me. And yes I would like to see pictures of Wiley. I wouldn't classify Wiley as something more than a lower low/no content either... I'm not an expert with wolfdogs here, others certainly are more than me, but I know some things about phenotyping as I'm part of a few groups and websites about wolfdog phenotypes and such. What did Mark say about the percentage of wolf there is in his animals? and did he say anything about a content? (low, mid, high, upper mid, lower mid...?)

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Wow, thank god I have an account with this forum, now I know the truth

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