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Canicross / Scootering / Bikejoring / Skijoring

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:40 pm
by Wave2Tuffy
I got a scooter to assist with walking Wave not technically "scootering". The scooter I got (Willy) gives me a chance to see how he would even react to something I have ZERO experience in.

So far, so good.

My question now is, does anyone have any experince with the "dog powered scooter attachment"? http://www.dogpoweredscooter.com

I am taking baby steps with Wave. Just want to build up to the scootering & not jump in head first until I understand everything. I don't mind spending extra $ to get Wave introduced to a product to lead to the end result?

Any input on getting Wave in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Scootering

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:08 am
by Misaya
Maybe if you have someone standing ahead of you and calling to Wave (that he will go to obviously) so he goes in the right direction. You could use whatever command you choose to ask him to go. I believe it's "hike" in the husky world (not "mush") :), and "gee" for go right and "haw" for go left. Dont know what stop is but I'm sure some of the mushers on here can tell you.

Re: Scootering

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:09 am
by blufawn
I think everyone uses their own words.
We use 'easy' for slowing down and 'woah' for stop (not sure if that is how you spell it)

Re: Scootering

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:49 pm
by Blustag
You really need to teach him the commands first before attaching him to the scooter. Use the commands on him whilst out on your walks. Forward ...Hike Stop... Whoa and so on. Teach him all these and also 'stand' when you want him to just stand easy and not move. Once he has mastered these commands then attach him to the scooter.

Re: Scootering

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:00 pm
by RoyAM
Blustag wrote:You really need to teach him the commands first before attaching him to the scooter. Use the commands on him whilst out on your walks. Forward ...Hike Stop... Whoa and so on. Teach him all these and also 'stand' when you want him to just stand easy and not move. Once he has mastered these commands then attach him to the scooter.

definately what Lynn says above;

We will have our two in harness very shortly with a car tyre fixed behind each harness, once they have mastered the commands whilst pulling a tyre, the next progression will be a rig

its all fun until a rabbit comes along. :o :twisted:

Re: Scootering

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:30 pm
by Sylvaen
RoyAM wrote:its all fun until a rabbit comes along. :o :twisted:
LOL uh oh!! :lol:

Re: Scootering

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:23 pm
by Wave2Tuffy
Do you put the harness on them when you teach them right, left, and so forth? Wave knows when I walk him he is not allowed to pull, of course, he has his collar on. So when training them for the scooter do you use the harness so they know the difference?

Re: Scootering

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 7:43 am
by Blustag
To start with use your lead. Once he gets the idea of the commands and is reacting then you could put the harness on. Once he is confident with your commands you can then introduce some weight such as a small tyre that will drag and bump along a bit. Once that is achieved you can use a larger tyre and then your rig/scooter. Dont be disappointed though if he dosnt want to pull. Not all of mine enjoy it. It is really down to individuality. Have fun though trying :D When training try to keep to tracks i.e. in woods etc. Dont laugh but we have a cemetery near to us and there are so many straight paths with t - junctions that it is perfect for training lol.. it is much better to use paths and tracks than open land and the dog will learn quicker.

Canicross / Skijoring

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 2:30 pm
by Hawthorne
OH MY GOODNESS! I am in love!

Freyja's Canicross / skijoring equipment arrived this week, and we tried it out yesterday. What fun! We took her to a trailhead that was shaded and a fairly narrow trail, hooked her up and had Ben and Fenris walked / ran out front so that Freyja would pull (she simply MUST be first!) She looks fantastic in her new x-backed black harness (complete with reflectors). The line is black with reflector woven throughout, and bungee integrated to reduce shock from the initial start (beautiful!).

Remember as children when older kids would take your hand an run with you--pulling you along. Felt like flying, right? Oh, this is just the same! I'm 5'2"--so my legs aren't too long :lol: --but Freyja pulled me along and I felt like I was flying when I was running behind her. FANTASTIC!

We bought a beginners kit from skijornow.com (US vendor). It came with a skijor belt (like a climbing harness -- for the humanoid), two tow lines, x backed harness, booties, and book "Ski Spot Run". Good book--I'm halfway through it already. The skijor belt comes in sizes, and the dog harness is made to fit your dog's measurements. Very nice!

So, I have to admit I've never liked running--in fact I avoid it at all costs. I'd rather rollerblade or run on an elliptical machine. But there was something much, much different about this--maybe it's the wooded trail, Freyja and her excitement--but certainly the pulling part is a lot of it. I think we're going to do this quite often. It's so much fun!

We just took her for a 10 minute run--so as to keep the experience positive. I devoured the section of the book on how to teach commands--and we'll start with "line out!" and "let's go!" and then move to the ever important "whoa", and then "gee" or "haw" (one at a time, please) and all the others... Oh, I know already that "on by" is going to be hard for Freyja! :lol: :lol: :lol: So many critters in the woods.

(and I promise we'll take photos and post here soon)

Re: Canicross / Skijoring

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 8:14 pm
by Blustag
Well done for trying...have fun :D

Re: Canicross / Skijoring

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 2:12 am
by Wave2Tuffy
I can't wait to see some beautiful pictures!!!!!!!!
Are both dogs attached 2 you or just Freyja? Just curious...........sounds like a lot of fun!

My Wave is doing AWESOME with this & he is getting his daily exercise.
My boy is SUCH a creature of habit, he did not want to give up the "left side" of his walk. OK, I reversed the entire system to please him :lol:

This system def allows ME to control his movements. He can not dart away from me. I sigh with relief because previous comments had me VERY afraid & concerned for my Wave. I can clearly see how a true scootering system could lead to disaster.................but this is a ? hmmm how do I put it? Wuss system? I can handle this & Wave follows willingly. We only treat him with this activity at the end of the day when it is cool........... He is completely contained from darting in his own direction.

I still have not got the video clip ready but it will follow in the very near future.

Re: Canicross / Skijoring

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:17 pm
by Hawthorne
I'm starting with just Freyja. Although as many as three dogs can tow someone on skis. We intend to purchase an additional kit for Fenris, too--so that Ben and I can Canicross together with both dogs (each dog hitched to one of us). Teaching the commands to one dog at a time while hitched up to you makes more sense--instead of trying to train both at the same time :lol: I think I'd be going in all directions except straight. :lol:
If you already have a trained dog, you can start with the trained dog and the newbie together. That way the new dog learns faster, etc. I think Blustag trained her dogs this way. Makes sense to me! But we will do it the hard way :lol:

Re: Canicross / Skijoring

Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:48 pm
by HiTenshi16
I really want to start Ulric on Canicross though it will be some time before I can buy any of the equipment (will see if my husband can get me it for Christmas), but how old should I wait for him to be before starting him on it? He's 7 months old right now. I'm thinking of training Rukia first if I have to wait for Ulric to be a certain age, she's 1 year and 7 months old now. Also would Canicross be okay on concrete or is it best to find a trail?
I really miss running and haven't been able to run since I hit puberty :oops: and couldn't find a propper sports bra. I thought this would be good for both Ulric and myself and also for him to better bond with me.

Also still waiting to see pictures of Freyja in her Canicross :D

Re: Canicross / Skijoring

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:23 am
by Hawthorne
Yes, I want photos too--but it's been far too hot here to put Freyja in her pulling harness. It's been in the 80s and 90s. Yuck! I want our snow back!

You can start teaching commands now--on a leash of course.

If you are looking for a vendor in the US, we used skijornow.com The gentleman was very friendly and helpful. They're on facebook too.

Personally, I'd rather run my dogs on a trail rather than pavement. If you do run your dogs on pavement 3+ times a week, it is recommended that they wear dog boots to prevent blowing out the pads on their paws. It is also recommended that you carry the boots with you even off trail in case of a paw injury.

This happened to us when we had the dogs off leash in the Allegheny Mountains a couple of months ago. Fenris and Freyja were off playing in the stream, and Fenris was lucky enough to puncture the webbing in between his paws with a stick. He's a wimp already, but he screamed and screamed and screamed. He refused to walk initially, so Ben carried him back up to the trail from the stream bank. Fen then wouldn't put weight on it--so I put a boot on his injured paw. He then seemed to calm down a bit, and walked the remaining 3 miles back to the car. We treated his paw with antibiotic and a 50/50 water/peroxide solution. It healed up just fine.

Anyways--off topic a bit there. Yes, Canicross is great fun. If your dog pulls on the leash it's a pretty good indicator if they will enjoy pulling in a proper pulling harness. Some even say that once you teach your dog to pull for Canicross / Skijor / sledding, that they learn the difference between the pulling harness and going for a walk--and stop pulling on the leash! Cool!

So--the boots are good to have for more than one reason.

Re: Canicross / Skijoring

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:33 pm
by Kelly
How is the Canicross progressing? Are you still enjoying it? I would really like to try this out, as well as bikejoring. Any tips for beginners?

Re: Scootering

Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:17 pm
by TheNorth
Ron & me started in january the training with the dogscooter :) he likes it very much - today we had a training day :)

Re: Scootering

Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:54 pm
by Sylvaen
super!!! that looks fantastic! :D

Re: Canicross / Skijoring

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:26 pm
by Emielle
I'm thinking of taking this up with my dog, and although he's not a Tamaskan or anything like it, he still loves to pull. I've managed to find a Southern Irish store that sells a belt, line, and harness pack, for 65-70 euro / 54-58 pounds. Plus postage it's a bit pricey for me, but nowhere near as expensive as the pack you linked to. I take it you recommend the sport?

Also, tips for newcomers would be great if anyone can spare them! I'm hoping to start as soon as I can.

Re: Canicross / Skijoring

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:38 pm
by Kaerager
Canicross sounds like so much fun. I think this might be something I could have a lot of fun with someday. :D

Re: Scootering

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:20 am
by Kelly
We took Loki and Freja to the SDAS winter warm up yesterday and they got to pull a scooter around the 2.5 mile track. They loved it! Not always focused completely on the task at hand, until they were passed by two teams and then the got the idea!
It was a bit intimidating walking along the road with all the vans full of sled dogs or dogs staked out and they all start barking at once at my two! But they were really composed and did really well.
Supposedly there were some Tamaskans there earlier in the day but we didn't meet them. There were mostly Sibs and some Mals, a few Border collies and other breeds.

Re: Scootering

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:31 am
by blufawn
Well done you for getting the Tamaskan out in the rallies, show em how its done....lol xx

Re: Scootering

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:51 am
by Blustag
Great work. The best way to train is following another team. If you can locate someone who trains and join them that would be fantastic. Im def going up to Aviemore this coming January for the 'BIG' race :lol:

Re: Scootering

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:01 am
by Kelly
Thanks Jenny and Lynn!
We met a really nice couple who live near us and have four Mals and they train every weekend so they are happy for us to join them!

Lynn, we will definitely go up to Aviemore a lot this winter and would be great to see you at the Big Race. Supposedly they've already had snow.

Re: Scootering

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:10 pm
by Blustag
Its the weekend of 23rd January. They usually hold the Weight pull first on the Friday which is a lot of fun. Will have to check my diary for the actual times etc.

Re: Scootering

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:13 pm
by Emielle
http://www.bikejor.com/bkjr_btc.htm

That site's for bikejoring, but the training could easily be used for scootering too. I haven't started training my dog yet, and he's quite small so I'm not expecting him to pull me up mountains or anything, but cycling with him will make exercise more fun for both of us. :D I'm buying a new bike for Christmas so hopefully he'll have learnt by then.

Re: Scootering

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:59 pm
by malamutemick
A Few Pics Of Our First Proper Scootering Outing Today :D

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Re: Scootering

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:22 pm
by HiTenshi16
How cool, looks like they were enjoying :)

Re: Scootering

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:38 am
by Sylvaen
Great photos! :D

Re: Scootering

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:09 pm
by Kaerager
It really looks like good fun. It would like to try that someday. :)

Re: Canicross / Skijoring

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:07 am
by Hawthorne
We attended a dry land dog race this past weekend (just as spectators). Photos can be found on my facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2 ... 3c0830a420

The president of the Can Am Dog Sled Club recommended this website: http://www.sleddogcentral.com/ Somewhere on there is a way to find vendors near you (such as sled makers, etc.)

For Skijoring, don't use skis with a metal edge--if you fall you could cut your dogs legs or worse. For any of these sports don't run your dog in hot weather. (obviously) I don't really have any other tips---oh--the sleddogcentral can apparently hook you up with a mentor near you, too. (in the US, not sure about abroad).

As I am a beginner, too--I'll defer to others here. I'm more in it for fun and because the Tamaskan is a sled dog. I doubt very much if I'll ever run a race as a competitive thing...

I do know that Bikejoring is considered one of the more dangerous forms of the sport. If you choose to bikejorn, make sure you modify your bike with a pole at the front and thread the line through. That way the line will be less apt to get tangled in your tires when it goes slack.

Always make the experience for your dog a positive one!

Re: Canicross / Skijoring

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:02 pm
by Nino


I love that picture
One dog is smiling and the other one is looking like you caught him doing something he wasent supposed to (while still howling)

great pictures

Re: Canicross / Skijoring

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:15 pm
by JoshC
What is the weight that Tamaskans can pull???

Re: Canicross / Skijoring

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:34 pm
by Blustag
Well it all depends on the size of the dog and weight of the dog and also his or her 'technique'. I dont know the direct answer to your question but I do know that the Malamute one of the strongest of dogs who take part in regular 'weight pulls' here in UK can pull approx 1000 pounds when trained. I have never done any weight pull with my Tamaskan. How they determine the weight that our Mals can pull is to have a harness on dog and attach it by a line to a wooden trolley with 4 wheels. They then put iron weights on the trolley and do a knock out competition to see which dog can pull the heaviest weight. They have to pull the trolley with weights to a point which is about 12 or so feet away.

Re: Canicross / Skijoring

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:16 pm
by malamutemick
:lol: I Wouldn't Fancy Doing Canicross With Denzel,When You Run With Him On The Walking Belt He Could Easy Pull You Over, Not So Quick But Around 46 Kilos Of Muscle & Iron Will :lol: :lol:

Re: Scootering

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:45 pm
by Hawthorne
In the couple of books that I have, it says that if you do scootering or bikejoring or canicross more than 2 times per week ON PAVEMENT that the dog must wear boots because you will blow out the dogs pads. I know people think it's silly or cute to "dress" our dogs--but I personally use boots on our lab mix in the winter because the salt on the sidewalks makes him pick up his paws and cry. I admit he's a little on the wimpy side--but why force him to be miserable?

I've found the Ruff Wear dog boots to be superior to anything I've seen elsewhere. They even have a new winter model out this year!
http://www.ruffwear.com/Barkn-Boots-Polar-Trex

Although we have this pair for Fenris:
http://www.ruffwear.com/Barkn-Boots-Grip-Trex

The cool thing is that you can order two different sizes--because many dogs rear paws are a size smaller than their front! Now if we could only get shoe shops to do that for people (most people have a 1/2 size difference between their feet...(yes, I used to sell shoes...)) haha.

Canicross / Scootering / Skijoring / Bikejoring

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:38 am
by sequoia
These terms are all new to me... but for those of you who partake in these activities - which is your favorite one, and why? Is one type safer than the others? Is there one that's easier to start with than the rest of them?

When I was younger I used to have a rottweiler mix that would tow me on my skateboard, and the energy and speed was just so much fun. I used to do this late at night in closed parking lots and if my dog picked up too much speed, I would just let go of her leash. :)

Thank you

Re: Canicross / Skijoring / Bikejoring

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:02 am
by Nino
I wish to start Sølve Bikejoring at some point in the future, I just haven't had the possibility to do so yet.

my reasoning is - I have a bad knee (which I very much hope to get fixed within the next 3-4 months but I can't be sure) so Canicross is not possible.
Denmark don't really have much snow in general, last year at this time there were loads of frost and snow, but this year there haven't even been 2 cm at once so Skijoring isn't much of a possibility yet..

I hope at some point in the future to have more than one so that I can get/make a "sled" with wheels so I can use that :)

Re: Canicross / Skijoring / Bikejoring

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:56 pm
by Luna
I've been looking at Canicross, as I need to get fitter and think Luna would really enjoy it. And have worked out that the dog harness, waist belt and bungee line comes to £170........I better get saving.
www.cani-cross.co.uk

Re: Canicross / Skijoring / Bikejoring

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:35 pm
by Booma
What's the difference between Canicross, Scootering, Bikejoring and Skijoring?

Re: Canicross / Skijoring / Bikejoring

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:15 am
by Luna
From what I gather all are with the dog in a harness tied to a bungee type cord which is attached to a waist band around you whilst you run/jog (Canicross), ski (Skijoring) or cycle (Bikejoring). The dog is ahead of you, pulling you along abit. Looks fun :-)

Re: Canicross / Skijoring / Bikejoring

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:30 pm
by Nino
Kyliedelonge wrote:Whats the difference between them?
Canicross - on foot
Scootering - on scooter
Bikejoring - on bike
Skijoring - on skis

;)

Re: Canicross / Skijoring / Bikejoring

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:19 am
by sequoia
Ahhh! Thank you :D

Recumbent trike exercise

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:55 pm
by WhiteElkStag
Hey All, Kira and I are thinking of buying a pair of recumbent trikes with a rig for exercising Rheq and Sophie. We've found a set-up which we really like, but we were hoping you all might have some input. I'm a little reluctant about the harness positioning and design. It connects the dog to the rig far up on the side and the harness has a strap across the chest instead if using straps around the shoulders. We have been looking at the various designs on nordkyn and like the "siwash" style. We don't plan on using the system to have them pull us exclusively, but we do want them to be able to pull without hurting themselves. Any input would be appreciated!

http://www.dogpoweredscooter.com/
http://www.nordkyn.com/

Re: Recumbent trike exercise

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:35 pm
by Tsir
I got a challenge hurricane (dutch brand). :) nice to see other recumbent owners!
I have never thought about it, but the height of the front end is perfect and it doesn't interfere with all the other parts.

Do you have a picture of the trike perhaps?

Re: Recumbent trike exercise

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:01 pm
by WhiteElkStag
I'm going to get the Catrike "Road" and Kira is getting the "Trail". We're both really excited about this.

Re: Recumbent trike exercise

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:22 pm
by Hawthorne
What did you decide about harnesses? We just got a scooter with a dog system and I knew I wouldn't be excited about the harnesses. They have large metal buckles on them which I'm sure will rub the dogs in all the wrong places.
However, we also have an x back harness from skijor now. I'll look at the setup and see if the x back could somehow be used.

Please post photos of your trikes when you get them!!! Jealous... Those things aren't cheap!!!

Re: Recumbent trike exercise

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:19 pm
by issylupus
Shay pulls a cart and I had her harness made for her by a company in Israil. I will try and find the contact details. They have a shop on ebay as well.
**Edit** here is their shop...http://stores.ebay.co.uk/For-your-exclu ... 4340.l2563

Here is a video of her wearing her harness. The weight is attached at both her side's behind the front legs and there is a thick chest strap so it is very kind on her body. She loves wearing it and had not felt uncomfortable . It is extreamly strong and well made and is light and easy to clean and dry.

Re: Recumbent trike exercise

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:27 pm
by Hawthorne
Cool! Love it-- "Caution, Slow Driver" Too cute! Looks like she was having fun!

Bikejoring

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:42 am
by Katlin
Anyone tried it? Today was Wylie and my first time bikejoring and man is it fun! I definitely recommend it for the tams that never seem to tire out. I used a regular mountain bike, an attachment to the bike, a bungee gangline, a leader line, and an xback harness.
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Re: Bikejoring

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:26 am
by HiTenshi16
He looks smashing in his harness :) Can't wait to do this someday with Ulric and Zelda!