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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Vajente » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:58 pm

if he has full siblings who are white then both his parents carry white, then there's 50% chance he carries it too

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by AZDehlin » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:03 pm

Vajente wrote:if he has full siblings who are white then both his parents carry white, then there's 50% chance he carries it too
Interesting, cant wait to get him coat color tested to see.

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by balto13 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:21 am

AZDehlin wrote:
Vajente wrote:if he has full siblings who are white then both his parents carry white, then there's 50% chance he carries it too
Interesting, cant wait to get him coat color tested to see.

that is pretty cool! I hope if who ever he is mated to has a couple (or one) white pup it could be added as a color (still confused as to why it isn't)

Katelyn, you're requiring any interested party to have their dam be color coated IF he comes back as a carrier for liver? Or is there 0% chance he isn't a carrier so everybody has to?

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Post by HiTenshi16 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:52 am

Would the white be considered liver though, or actually white/red? I myself favour white wolves <3
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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by balto13 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:12 am

I didn't know white and liver where the same color

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by AZDehlin » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:49 am

They wouldn't be liver because both dogs have to carry liver to show liver and his mom Cola doesn't carry liver. Noque and all his sibling carry liver gene so I would make it mandatory that the bitch is color tested and is negative for liver if Noque is used.

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Vajente » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:04 am

HiTenshi16 wrote:Would the white be considered liver though, or actually white/red? I myself favour white wolves <3
liver has nothing to do with white
white is a very light recessive red, you could end up with getting some cream colored dogs though

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by HiTenshi16 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:51 am

Vajente wrote:
HiTenshi16 wrote:Would the white be considered liver though, or actually white/red? I myself favour white wolves <3
liver has nothing to do with white
white is a very light recessive red, you could end up with getting some cream colored dogs though
I asked that because his father is liver but I believe looked white.
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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Vajente » Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:33 pm

a dog can be both and you're right, Cinnabar is liver and recessive red
that means Noque also carries both

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by AZDehlin » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:07 pm

Noque's Grandmother Xena has been Genotyped, cant wait to hear the results of some of her other dogs.

Genotype Results:

KB, KB -2 alleles for Dominant Black at K locus
At, At - 2 alleles for BiColor at A locus
B, B - No Liver gene at B locus
D,D - No Blue gene at D locus
E, E - No Yellow (e) gene at E locus

no EM for Mask gene present
no S for Spotting Gene present

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Vajente » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:31 pm

Xena is Colas mum? then Cola is a dominant black and also has at least one at allel

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by balto13 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:34 pm

AZDehlin wrote:Noque's Grandmother Xena has been Genotyped, cant wait to hear the results of some of her other dogs.

Genotype Results:

KB, KB -2 alleles for Dominant Black at K locus
At, At - 2 alleles for BiColor at A locus
B, B - No Liver gene at B locus
D,D - No Blue gene at D locus
E, E - No Yellow (e) gene at E locus

no EM for Mask gene present
no S for Spotting Gene present
That's cool, do you know what other dogs will be genotyped? I am excited to see Noque's results!

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by AZDehlin » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:23 pm

balto13 wrote:
AZDehlin wrote:Noque's Grandmother Xena has been Genotyped, cant wait to hear the results of some of her other dogs.

Genotype Results:

KB, KB -2 alleles for Dominant Black at K locus
At, At - 2 alleles for BiColor at A locus
B, B - No Liver gene at B locus
D,D - No Blue gene at D locus
E, E - No Yellow (e) gene at E locus

no EM for Mask gene present
no S for Spotting Gene present
That's cool, do you know what other dogs will be genotyped? I am excited to see Noque's results!
she has genotyped 5 of her dogs... posting as she posts the results.

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by AZDehlin » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:25 pm

Pepsi (one Xena's daughters with Apollo) has been Genotyped!

Genotype Results:

KB, X -1 allele for Dominant Black at K locus,
and 1 unknown
X above probably = Ky which 'lets' A locus show thru
(IF there is no KB)

At, X - 1 allele for BiColor at A locus, and 1 unknown
X above = Aw = Agouti = 'Wild type', therefore -->
AGOUTI gene by 'process of elimination' at the A locus!

B, B - No Liver gene at B locus
D,D - No Blue gene at D locus
E, E - No Yellow (e) gene at E locus

no EM for Mask gene present
no S for Spotting Gene present

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Vajente » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:43 pm

I'm curious about Cola and Cinnabar maybe you don't even have to test Noque

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by AZDehlin » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:53 pm

Vajente wrote:I'm curious about Cola and Cinnabar maybe you don't even have to test Noque
She tested Cinnabar in this batch of 5 but not Cola she will do her in the next batch.

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Vajente » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:56 pm

ah ok, I'm guessing Cinnabar is sable, if he isn't then Cola is
who is Cola's dad?

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by AZDehlin » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:59 pm

Vajente wrote:ah ok, I'm guessing Cinnabar is sable, if he isn't then Cola is
who is Cola's dad?
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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Vajente » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:18 am

what's odd is that Apollo is white and Pepsi tested negative for yellow
there are sighthounds in the breed right?

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by AZDehlin » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:48 am

Vajente wrote:what's odd is that Apollo is white and Pepsi tested negative for yellow
there are sighthounds in the breed right?
Yes there is sight hounds in this breed.

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by AZDehlin » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:09 am

Cinnabar's genotype results: (Noque's Dad)

X,X - 2 unknown allels at the K locals
X above probably = Ky which "lets" A locus show thru (since no KB's exist at the A locus)

Ay, X - 1 allel for Fawn/Sable at A locas and 1 unknown.
X above = Aw = Agouti = "wild type", therefore --> Agouti by "process of elimination" at the A locus!

b,b - 2 liver at B locus
D,D - No blue gene at D locus
E,e - One yellow (e) gene at E locus

No EM for mask gene present
No S for spotting gene present

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by balto13 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:49 am

where did Noque get his mask then? or did I over look something? :oops:

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Vajente » Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:06 am

then the unknown white comes from the sighthounds and Cinnabar is it too but he also carries yellow which could mean that both whites exist in the ancd
and cinnabar is indeed sable like I thought
balto13 wrote:where did Noque get his mask then? or did I over look something? :oops:
Noque doesn't seem to have a mask

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by balto13 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:59 am

Vajente wrote:
balto13 wrote:where did Noque get his mask then? or did I over look something? :oops:
Noque doesn't seem to have a mask
huh? then what is the coloring around his eyes and on some of his snout called? it looks like a mask to me, man I feel dunce now :lol: :oops:

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Vajente » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:11 pm

the markings on his face is normal for a wolfgrey
a mask (EM) is the black nose/face like GSD's or malinois have

it does seem that his brother Roman and his sister Tulip have a mask so it could be that Cola does have a EM allel (that her full sister doesn't have it doesn't mean she can't have it)

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by AZDehlin » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:57 pm

Didnt know E gene only worked fir one type of mask. Noque's sister I do not think has this mask either... Here she is at 6 months
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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Vajente » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:11 pm

you can't see it very well anymore but in the puppy pics you can clearly see she has a black muscle which Noque did not have
I believe that the wolfgrey gene makes the masking fade away with age for some reason
another example of that is Tarheel's Jeager

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Tiantai » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:59 pm

It's a shame that some dogs cannot keep their mask longer into adulthood. Although the black ANCDs to me look very wolf-like alone without the need for any mask.
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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by arianwenarie » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:06 pm

Tiantai wrote:It's a shame that some dogs cannot keep their mask longer into adulthood. Although the black ANCDs to me look very wolf-like alone without the need for any mask.
In addition, I think I remember Ann saying masking in an ANCD is considered a fault; but I don't remember if it's a minor fault or a disqualifying one. :oops:

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Nino » Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:50 pm

EM is as said the masking found inn GSDs and Mallinois.
You also see it in some of the Tamaskans.

Eg. if You look at the offspring of Jaegar (and Jaegar) you will notice that quite a few of his offspring has masks (specially if you look at puppy pictures) though not at all as apparent as GSD or Mallinois. Even though they have not been DNA profiled to confirm this I am pretty sure that they have EM.
The CsV in the standard is supposed to have EM mask - although only slightly visible, and although I am not too familiar with the standard of the Saarloos I am guessing that they too have this mask and that the mask in Jaegar therefore comes from Bobbi.

@Arianwenarie
do you know if Ann is talking about EM mask or about Agouti mask?
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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by arianwenarie » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:39 pm

Nino wrote:EM is as said the masking found inn GSDs and Mallinois.
You also see it in some of the Tamaskans.

Eg. if You look at the offspring of Jaegar (and Jaegar) you will notice that quite a few of his offspring has masks (specially if you look at puppy pictures) though not at all as apparent as GSD or Mallinois. Even though they have not been DNA profiled to confirm this I am pretty sure that they have EM.
The CsV in the standard is supposed to have EM mask - although only slightly visible, and although I am not too familiar with the standard of the Saarloos I am guessing that they too have this mask and that the mask in Jaegar therefore comes from Bobbi.

@Arianwenarie
do you know if Ann is talking about EM mask or about Agouti mask?
I have no clue. But since we were discussing Lyss's Tali when the masking topic came up, I'd assume Agouti mask.

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Gaby » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:25 pm

He is soooo pretty Katelyn! :D Love his coat, his colour, his eyes and his size! How is his character developing? Do you see much differences or similarities compared to Zephyr?

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Cornelia1986 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:10 am

Is there any Tamaskan Breeder in Europe who would consider AI if all health tests of Noque are ok and the permission of Basalt Tamaskan is given?
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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Gaby » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:36 am

Cornelia1986 wrote:Is there any Tamaskan Breeder in Europe who would consider AI if all health tests of Noque are ok and the permission of Basalt Tamaskan is given?
If natural breeding will succeed with Mila and depending on her first litter and how the pups develop etc, I would like to consider it, but before I would make a decision I need a whole lot of info about everything about his character and behaviour. And Noque's owner has to approve it of course.
So it will take a few years before I can say something about it. ;-)

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Cornelia1986 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:20 am

Gaby wrote:
Cornelia1986 wrote:Is there any Tamaskan Breeder in Europe who would consider AI if all health tests of Noque are ok and the permission of Basalt Tamaskan is given?
If natural breeding will succeed with Mila and depending on her first litter and how the pups develop etc, I would like to consider it, but before I would make a decision I need a whole lot of info about everything about his character and behaviour. And Noque's owner has to approve it of course.
So it will take a few years before I can say something about it. ;-)
:D Please place me on your waiting list for this mating hahaha
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Post by TerriHolt » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:16 am

He is looking great! He will have some beautiful puppies *when* he is approved (power of positive thinking :D ).
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Post by caninesrock » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:53 pm

Wow. He is beautiful. Very wolfy looking to me. His sister is nice looking too. Any chance that if ANCDs are ever approved for outcrossing into the Tamaskan, that you would make him a breeding dog for the outcross litter(s)?

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Post by AZDehlin » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:02 am

caninesrock wrote:Wow. He is beautiful. Very wolfy looking to me. His sister is nice looking too. Any chance that if ANCDs are ever approved for outcrossing into the Tamaskan, that you would make him a breeding dog for the outcross litter(s)?

I dunno if I will allow him to be used in the Tamaskan.

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Post by caninesrock » Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:36 pm

AZDehlin wrote:
caninesrock wrote:Wow. He is beautiful. Very wolfy looking to me. His sister is nice looking too. Any chance that if ANCDs are ever approved for outcrossing into the Tamaskan, that you would make him a breeding dog for the outcross litter(s)?

I dunno if I will allow him to be used in the Tamaskan.
Oh. OK. That's understandable. How about breeding him to another ANCD? :D I also understand if you don't want to use him as a breeding dog at all though.

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Post by AZDehlin » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:07 am

caninesrock wrote:
AZDehlin wrote:
caninesrock wrote:Wow. He is beautiful. Very wolfy looking to me. His sister is nice looking too. Any chance that if ANCDs are ever approved for outcrossing into the Tamaskan, that you would make him a breeding dog for the outcross litter(s)?

I dunno if I will allow him to be used in the Tamaskan.
Oh. OK. That's understandable. How about breeding him to another ANCD? :D I also understand if you don't want to use him as a breeding dog at all though.
Maybe but for him to breed at all it hinges on his health tests and if he can pass CGC.

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by arianwenarie » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:59 am

AZDehlin wrote:Maybe but for him to breed at all it hinges on his health tests and if he can pass CGC.
Health tests are important...but doesn't Ann have a requirement that all ANCD breeding stock must (at a minimum) pass the CGC test to ensure their temperament? The CGC test can be difficult...at least, I took the test with the trainer I used to intern with and we set up the entire testing area outside sans the startle test and supervised separation. I admit it was tougher because of more distractions, but the testing area was meant to be in a somewhat distracted environment to help mimic real world challenges. She had also failed a dog (not mine) who had passed all of the items on the test, but had lunged aggressively at another dog (unprovoked) when they arrived in the parking lot....it was harsh, but she failed her because she was supposed to go on to be a therapy dog and dog-dog aggression isn't acceptable (3rd time failure :( ).

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by caninesrock » Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:37 am

AZDehlin wrote: Maybe but for him to breed at all it hinges on his health tests and if he can pass CGC.
Health tests are important. I meant if he passes them. ;) I don't know if the breeder of Alaskan Nobles even allows other breeders to breed the breed or not though anyway. I don't know of other breeders of ANCDs besides her.

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by sky » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:55 pm

There are other nobles out there in possible breeding homes. I know of one male that I believe has had two litters with a sib if I'm not mistaken. So Ann isn't against them breeding or being crossed.

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Tatzel » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:41 am

Can we please have more pictures of Noque? I'm dying to see what he looks like now!

I've also meant to ask how his energy level is compared to your Tam?
Some Tams seem a little hyper sometimes (guessing that comes from the husky), whereass ACND seem to be more chill?
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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Tatzel » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:05 pm

I love you ahhhh
He's SO good looking oh man! I dig his bright eyes and especially his colors ahhh. I know I already said that but I'll say it again.
His ears are pretty large (yet?), but they don't take away much from his wolfy look :)

The wolf in the sheep's pelt one is just hilarious :D
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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by caninesrock » Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:53 pm

Nice headshot. He looks extremely wolfy except for his ears. I love his coloring. Would it be considered agouti?

The second pic....Lol. XD :lol: That's just hilarious. Cute sheep costume. Really gives a new meaning to "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing". :lol:

Did you make the costume yourself?

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by AZDehlin » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:24 am

Tatzel wrote:I love you ahhhh
He's SO good looking oh man! I dig his bright eyes and especially his colors ahhh. I know I already said that but I'll say it again.
His ears are pretty large (yet?), but they don't take away much from his wolfy look :)

The wolf in the sheep's pelt one is just hilarious :D
I think they will stay large, they dont look so bad in person cause his head is equally big though and in the winter his ears get really nice thick fur unlike any Tamaskan I have seen.



caninesrock wrote:Nice headshot. He looks extremely wolfy except for his ears. I love his coloring. Would it be considered agouti?

The second pic....Lol. XD :lol: That's just hilarious. Cute sheep costume. Really gives a new meaning to "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing". :lol:

Did you make the costume yourself?

Yes, he would be considered agouti.


I did make the sheep costume myself... took me forever since no one makes a full pattern for dogs this size... I made two sheep costumes actually one for Noque and one for Zephyr.

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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Tiantai » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:21 am

I think he should grow into those ears at some point. He's still a young dog
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Re: ANCD Noque

Post by Gaby » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:16 pm

Wow, he is really beautiful! How big is he now? And how is his character compared to Zephyr?

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