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Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:57 am

Ayla's new partner in crime.
He's 6 months old today!
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by weylyn » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:00 am

He is lovely. Is he from Marks line?

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:15 am

Nope. Not even close :p

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Tana » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:45 am

I like his long nose :) beautiful boy! Can you tell more about the breed (character, history...)? Where you get him from?

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:56 am

Hi, this is not a breed.
I got him from Wolfspirit kennel. He's a high content american wolfdog.
He was bottle fed as a pup, so he's very kind with his human family. He's quite shy with unknown people but gets warm quickly.
In his territory he comes to contact with new people without any problem.
He's ok on leash, great off leash (for now). He learns how to behave from ayla who is a great teacher for him.
He has a big prey drive (he's only 6 months old and has already killed several bunnies, two chickens, several mouses, a fish and a cat)
He's very territorial too.
We will need to be carefull with other male dogs when he will mature.
He was very difficult whe he was younger with food, but he improves well on that lately.
And i love him so much :D

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Sylvaen » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:48 am

He is very nice, quite unusual coloring - reminds me a bit of some of the light ANCDs.
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by balto13 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:54 am

Sylvaen wrote:He is very nice, quite unusual coloring - reminds me a bit of some of the light ANCDs.

yes! he reminds me a little of Roman, Noque's littermate :) they both are quite handsome and this coloring really helps the bright eyes stand out

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Nimwey » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:38 pm

When I saw him in another thread, I thought he was just a dog you met, but so he's yours? :)

I will be really interested in learning more about how this goes, since the idea I've gotten from wolfdog people is that anything above low content "must" be kept in special enclosures, certainly cannot be kept indoors because they will ruin everything, cannot be left off leash, can never be left alone (I even hear that about Saarloos and CsV - and they are "barely" low content), etcetera.

The only exception seem to be *some* of the very selectively bred North American Indian Dogs, Marks line as mentioned above (which I know Lycan is not). So it will be interesting to see how your boy turns out, since he's more of a "regular" high content wolfdog, right?
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:52 pm

People shouldn't believe the commercial speeches of wd breeders... Klemperer, for instance, is one of the most dangerous liars in this communauty.
But, nevermind.

Lycan is a handfull inside. He is very destructiv so if he's inside it could only be with us and under constant watch.
There is no way we can let him roaming free alone inside of the house.
But of course he can be inside and doing nothing wrong too.

He must be kept in special enclosure, right now it doesn't matters, but later, when he'll mature, he will want to expend his territory, and if he can pass the fence, he will kill all the other canine around the house.
And we don't want that ;) So yes, they need a 2m high fence, with electricity, at least.

Off leash, you have two things to fear : predation and fear.
If you dog isn't fearful, that's already one thing ok.
Predation... That will always be something to fear. But this is possible to keep it in a ok range, especially outside because he won't be on his territory anymore and will likely be more focus on bounding with his pack (you.)

I don't understant "he's more of a "regular" high content wolfdog, right?" ^^'
Could you explain what you mean?

About his color, it could fade away quickly so he will likely be mostly white.

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by HiTenshi16 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:23 pm

I just love the way Lycan's coat looks!
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by akaye531 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:07 pm

balto13 wrote:
Sylvaen wrote:He is very nice, quite unusual coloring - reminds me a bit of some of the light ANCDs.

yes! he reminds me a little of Roman, Noque's littermate :) they both are quite handsome and this coloring really helps the bright eyes stand out

I agree! He's a great looking boy :) Keep posting photos!

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Kootenaywolf » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:41 pm

He's yours! That's awesome. He's absolutely stunning.

I am hoping to get an upper mid or high content at some point down the road...hopefully not too many years away. I love seeing what responsible owners like yourself can do with them!

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Nimwey » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:31 pm

Lynwae wrote:People shouldn't believe the commercial speeches of wd breeders... Klemperer, for instance, is one of the most dangerous liars in this communauty.
But, nevermind.

I don't understant "he's more of a "regular" high content wolfdog, right?" ^^'
Could you explain what you mean?
With "regular" I mean, not selectively bred for a more doglike temperament, like the NorthAID for example (now if that's true). ;)

Yes I recently heard bad things about Klemperer on Facebook (the NorthAID group) - too bad, so much "corruption" in these breeds. -.-
But I haven't been listening to "commercial speeches", but from wolfdog owners on forums and such. :)
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Post by weylyn » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:34 pm

Nimwey wrote:When I saw him in another thread, I thought he was just a dog you met, but so he's yours? :)

I will be really interested in learning more about how this goes, since the idea I've gotten from wolfdog people is that anything above low content "must" be kept in special enclosures, certainly cannot be kept indoors because they will ruin everything, cannot be left off leash, can never be left alone (I even hear that about Saarloos and CsV - and they are "barely" low content), etcetera.

The only exception seem to be *some* of the very selectively bred North American Indian Dogs, Marks line as mentioned above (which I know Lycan is not). So it will be interesting to see how your boy turns out, since he's more of a "regular" high content wolfdog, right?

whahahah yes I know many americans talk like that. Funniest thing is that almost every american wolfdog that is living in europe isn't living like that. Most here are just living as normal housedogs......( read living not behaving ;) )

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:26 pm

Thanks Brynne :)

I'll give you some news as you seem interested in how is life with this big boy.

For now, he spends a lot of time asleep :p
(growing up is a very tiring activity)

Better to rest as long as he can because tomorrow we're going to a big dog gathering for 3 days.
That will be exhausting (but fun) for all of us. :)
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Vroni » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:50 pm

It is really false to say high contents could not live indoor. They are very special and you can not handle them like another dog but it is possible of course.
My best friend owns a high content female named Tatanka. She is 2,5 years old now and I love her for peaces!!
I dogsit her very often and she do not have any problems to be in my flat. At her home she lives indoor too and they do not have any special inclouser although it would be a lot easier if you can put her in something like that if nobody is at home. At the moment her owner is 24 hours 7 days a week with her, she did not let her alone until now.
Off leash is not that easy as a year ago (mostly impossible) and other females are a no go... But that's only natural instinct. I learned a lot from her and she is really the same as Jack but with much more instinct and intelligence. :D
You could eat and cook in the same room but you had to be attentive. She is clean in the house and if she trusts you you could take nearly everything from her.
Oh and she is not bottle feed as a puppy. In my opinion there is no need for if the mother of the pups trusts the owner and he could handle the pups. ;)
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:36 pm

Bottle feed helps a lot Vroni.
You may know Marina... If so, speak with her about that one day. That should be very interesting :)
Mr. Berge was unable to approach noomi's pups untill they are 10 day, and she gave birth to her litters outside in her pen. So yes, this is his advantage to say that bottle feed the pup doesn't help at all. But that's not true. If there is a strong relationship between the mother of the pups and the breeder, the bitch will prefer to give birth inside and the breeder will be able to handle the pups as soon as they were born. For this kind of "dogs", this changes radicaly how they will perceive human being later in their live and will make everything easier for the owner.
So when it's possible, that's a good thing to do.

Of course they can live indoor, but as I said, there is no way to let them inside unsupervized.
The food behaviour shouldn't be a problem if correctly handled.

Tatanka seems to be a sweet girl. I prefer brzo x noomie litter for the beauty, but blue jay's pups are very nice too :)

Anyway, lycan is a little upper content than tatanka, i fear that some thing that are possible with her won't be so easy with our boy :)

And, only for record, he's 6 months old and 68 cm at the shoulder.

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Vroni » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:36 pm

I thouhgt that he is a very high content, you can see it. :)
Tatanka is from Blue Jay and Noomi, not Brzo.
Christian is a friend of mine and I was with him and his dogs for a few weekends. ;) I know a lot of high and very high wolfdogs in person. Some of them bottle feed and some of them not. In my opinion it depends much more on the genes as if they are bottle feed or not. And I only know breeders which bottle feed where the pups do not have any contact to their mum... And thats a method which I think is really cruel for mother and pups...
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:08 pm

Hi again Vroni,
Yes, I know Tatanka is from Blue Jay :)

And I know that you know Christian, i saw the photos :p

My english is not so good and i feel like we don't really understand each other.
Bottle feed a litter doesn't imply to separate them from their mother, except if it is needed for their own survival.
Those I know (pups who were bottle fed) were raised by their mother AND the breeder. One meal by the breeder, one by the mother... So the mother can raise her pups and teach them how to behave like a dog (this is very complicated for a human (even if possible in a certain extend) to teach pup the canine codes).
I hope you better understand what i meant in the first place :)

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Vroni » Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:12 am

That really sounds much better! :)
But I am very sure other breeders for example in America do it like I discribed. They take the pups with 3 days of age from the mother and raise them without her... Thats not a good method... :cry:
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:50 am

It depends on the context.
This is a good thing to do IF :
- The mum can't raise her pups (no milk, rejection of the litter blabla)
- The mum can barely be touch by the breeder and this is the only way for the pups to be used to humans soon enough to be social. (But i speak of special needs animals here, like some VHC at the beginning of lines..)

But yeah, in an average WD context, the best is to raise pup with the mother and bottle feeding in addition :)

Anyway, did Jack pass his hips?

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Vroni » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:57 am

Jacks HIPs, ellbows and spine are veeeeery good! :D
Sadly his sister Maya has very bad HIPs... :cry:
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by balto13 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:50 am

Vroni wrote:Jacks HIPs, ellbows and spine are veeeeery good! :D

yay Jack! :) :) :)
Vroni wrote:Sadly his sister Maya has very bad HIPs... :cry:
sorry to hear about his sisters bad hips :( :( hopefully they are manageable!

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Post by Lynwae » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:28 am

Congrats to Jack, and very sad for Maya....

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Kootenaywolf » Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:29 pm

I'd love to hear updates as he gets older. It sounds like he's doing really well so far!

I am still looking around and trying to figure out where I might want to get a pup from. It seems like it is harder to find well bred upper mids....most people seem to just breed the really HC. But I have a few ideas.

Of course, I must wait a few years - 3 dogs is quite enough right now!

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Tiantai » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:57 pm

Now those are AWESOME photo shots! :D

I wouldn't say "very high-content". A high-content indeed but when I hear "very high-content" I think of wolfdogs like these ones owned by wolfdog expert Cindy Matthews who look ALMOST like pure wolves:



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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:54 am

Hi Lucas

Lycan is only six months old, let him grow before you can compare him with other adult wd.

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Kootenaywolf » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:19 am

Yes, I was going to say, wait and see...I think you will find that Lycan looks very much like a pure wolf when he is fully mature!

Though obviously not with the "classic" gray wolf colouring like Cindy's, but still like a wolf none the less.

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:20 am

But i agree that Selene and Loki are very beautiful animals :)

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Tiantai » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:25 pm

I wonder if Lycan could qualify as an actor playing a wolf in any films once he is older.
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:11 am

I don't know, I don't think I would be able to teach him how to do that.
Not my profession.

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Tatzel » Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:44 am

Ahh, so much character in his face!
Love his big paws :)

Please keep us updated on the temperament, too! And thanks for sharing these photos, they're stunning!
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Post by HiTenshi16 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:00 pm

Tatzel wrote:Ahh, so much character in his face!
Love his big paws :)

Please keep us updated on the temperament, too! And thanks for sharing these photos, they're stunning!
Second this!
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:38 pm

He's still a baby :) So he behaves like a baby boy, avoiding conflict and looking for the safety of his pack.
He is very cuddly with his human family.

He needs a little time to get close new people, but he doesn't panic if we have to cross people in a crowed place (except if people try to touch him right away).
He's great on leash.
When he doesn't know people and we bring him for a walk with these unknown people he's great, doesn't want to speak with them, but doesn't mind to walk by their side.
He's great off leash in the wild :) (but still a baby, that matters a lot)

He is very afraid, at first, of new dogs, but after a short time, when he know the dogs are not agressiv, he wants to play :)

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Tatzel » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:04 pm

Wow, he sounds almost perfect so far! I wonder if that's going to change big time if he gets into puberty.

You really give me hope though that WDs are actually handle-able. Would love to have one myself one day... but I don't think I can yet commit myself to an animal like this..
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:32 pm

They are not dogs.
Lycan is almost perfect, regarding what he is.
He has a very big prey drive, already kill several tiny animals.
He is very destructiv, spend almost all his time awake chewing things. EVERY THING.
He is very cuddly with us, and quick to be ok with people around, but doesn't want cuddle from stranged people. He growls a lot to say what he wants or not.
He did bit when he was a pup, and not for play.
(seeing how big are his teeth, i hope he won't do that again, like, never again.)
He has no idea of what being obedient is, and he will never has. He has a great recall, because he doesn't want to be separate from his pack, and i can make him sit (and maybe soon lie) but only because he gives me confidence, and think that if i put him in this position, this is for his own good. :)
Etc etc... This is a beautiful creature, and a great adventure to live with him, but he is not a dog.

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Tiantai » Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:21 pm

I don't think killing tiny animal is necessarily a wolf-behaviour. German Shepherds, Siberian Huskies, and many medium-sized dogs are notorious for killing and eating mice, raccoons, and whatever small animal they look like tasty meat to them. Yet there are also some high-content wolfdogs and captive wolves who have never harmed any small animals at all. I know one high-content in Manitoba who lives with 9 cats and an adopted rabbit. Sadly, I can't give away the exact location of the owner and that hybrid due to the ban on wolfdogs in that province and the fact that many northern spitz-tupe crossbreeds that were mislabelled as wolfdogs have already been seized and euthanized for decades here in the eastern provinces.
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Tatzel » Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:37 pm

How do your friends and family cope with your wd?
I assume you can't just bring him over because of how destructive he is, and you can not visit friends/family for longer periods without bringing him along, can you?

I think the social aspect is something people should consider before getting a WD.
I have a lot of friends who can't even understand my commitment to my dog an that sometimes he comes first (like in the beginning where I could not leave him alone for too long... I think the friend that stayed over was pissed, but she had to deal with it)

I think I wouldn't get a WD until I'm older (as in probably +30 years or so), have a house and a big backyard, all the free time I need and when I have seen enough of the world to stay at home always.
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Tiantai » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:45 pm

Tatzel wrote:How do your friends and family cope with your wd?
I assume you can't just bring him over because of how destructive he is, and you can not visit friends/family for longer periods without bringing him along, can you?

I think the social aspect is something people should consider before getting a WD.
I have a lot of friends who can't even understand my commitment to my dog an that sometimes he comes first (like in the beginning where I could not leave him alone for too long... I think the friend that stayed over was pissed, but she had to deal with it)

I think I wouldn't get a WD until I'm older (as in probably +30 years or so), have a house and a big backyard, all the free time I need and when I have seen enough of the world to stay at home always.
I agree. Wolfdogs come in various contents and I personally discourage anyone who has never raised or interacted with these creatures from getting one. This is especially true for those who don't even know what a wolfdog should look or how they behave. It is 100x expensive to raise a wolfdog of upper wolf content than to raise any dogs considering the proper fencing and HUGE yard that is required as I have seen plus most wolfdogs owners who raise very high-content who actually walk their animals do so only in special places where they are less likely to encounter other people or dogs. I've been dragged around before trying to walk a captive Eastern wolf and about half the time it is really the animal walking me instead although there are times when I did managed to walk it around too as if we were taking turns. Although there ARE pure wolves and Coywolf hybrids who CAN be walked around most of the time, such animals are very rare in North America and Europe - usually only 1/500 captive pure wolves would left you do that and I THINK it was such wolves like these that were successfully bred into domestic dogs thousands of years ago. In the far east Asia there are lots more with that type of dog-like personality but I wouldn't look for one like this in the west. In the wolfdog world, NO ONE owns each other vs. a dog who will either defy you or walk with you happily depending on your relationship with it.

Admittedly I do plan to move to British Columbia which is one of the only three provinces (the other being Alberta and Saskatchewan) where it is still legal to own a Grey wolf, coyote, and wolfdog cross. The only other options for me are Nunavut, Yukon, and Northwest Territories but I don't think I could survive in those places for more than 2 years. :lol: However, I will not be breeding the Grey wolf, coyote or their hybrid offsprings that I plan to raise to any of the Tamaskan dogs due to the wild nature of these animals as I have learned from my interactions with the Coywolves here in Ontario. I'll probably put off breeding of my future Tamaskans during the years of raising my Coywolves for a behavioural research that I plan on conducting with the goal of getting some clues as to how the early F1 wild Coywolf packs from the Viking's Settlement operated.
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:34 am

Hi,

Owning such a creature is a big comitment. But this is something that i've already done with Ayla.
If we have to go visit someone, we ask if we can take the dogs. If this is possible, lycan isn't so destructiv outside his territory, so we can handle him.
We bring the two of them with us in the outside world every time we can. Because that's good for them, good for us, and kinda fun. (But a lot of work)

Lycan can be walk on leash, he was used of that since he was a little tiny furball. And that's ok.

At home, we have a "dog free" area, for people who are not at ease with them. :)

Lucas, animals you are talking about are not dogs, think a lot about it before planning on owning one of them, learn everything you can about wolf behaviour, and be prepared.

Here are some photos from a dog meeting, the last week end of september.
So you can see that this is possible to bring the big boy outside.

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Post by Lynwae » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:39 am

Oh, and, same place, same people : nap time.



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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Kootenaywolf » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:22 pm

That is so great that he is comfortable around strangers and strange places. Yarrow couldn't be in a situation like that :( He is so fearful of strangers, despite a lot of socialization.

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Tiantai » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:13 pm

Lynwae wrote:Hi,

Owning such a creature is a big comitment. But this is something that i've already done with Ayla.
If we have to go visit someone, we ask if we can take the dogs. If this is possible, lycan isn't so destructiv outside his territory, so we can handle him.
We bring the two of them with us in the outside world every time we can. Because that's good for them, good for us, and kinda fun. (But a lot of work)

Lycan can be walk on leash, he was used of that since he was a little tiny furball. And that's ok.

At home, we have a "dog free" area, for people who are not at ease with them. :)

Lucas, animals you are talking about are not dogs, think a lot about it before planning on owning one of them, learn everything you can about wolf behaviour, and be prepared.
I will take that into account as I have been for years. I know they're not dogs. I've walked and been walked by one upper mid-wolf content Coywolf hybrid and I intend to build a highly secured environment much like those of Cindy Matthews, Christa Downey, Jerry Mills, and Mace Loftus, all of whom are highly experienced high-content owners and trainers and are famous in the wolfdog communities.

I currently live Ontario where we have countless Canis hybrids but these animals are NOT F1 or F2 hybrids, they have been mixed for the last 600 - 900 years so the exact behaviours of these hybrids (Eastern wolves and the more recent northeastern coyotes) have all evolved with time coupled with the fact that some of these hybrids have also backcrossed wih the Atlantic Grey wolves and newer western coyotes. But so far, NO ONE has ever observed the behaviours of an actual wild F1 hybrid pure coyote - pure grey wolf pack and how it may have contributed to the nature of these modern eastern hybrid species today. We also know that Mexican grey wolves have mixed with southern coyotes a few decades ago in some areas prior to the reintroduction of the captive wolves but the only evidences of hybridizations are those found in the mitochondrial haplotypes of Texas coyotes and some Mexican grey wolves in the wild. That's why I am determined to conduct this research by breeding a pure captive western grey wolf to a pure western coyote. I'm not doing it for some stupid ego, I want to figure how such a pack may have functioned and perhaps find some new ideas as to how they have evolved.
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Gaby » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:19 pm

He is beautiful! Must be a handfull though... Can you leave him home alone?

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:03 am

No he can't be left inside alone, (or i will never see my home again ;))

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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Cornelia1986 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:52 pm

Tiantai wrote:However, I will not be breeding the Grey wolf, coyote or their hybrid offsprings that I plan to raise to any of the Tamaskan dogs due to the wild nature of these animals as I have learned from my interactions with the Coywolves here in Ontario. I'll probably put off breeding of my future Tamaskans during the years of raising my Coywolves for a behavioural research that I plan on conducting with the goal of getting some clues as to how the early F1 wild Coywolf packs from the Viking's Settlement operated.
What is your intention when you say you will own a pure wolf or a pure coyote? Why would you mate them together? What is the reason behind this?
Why do you think it would be ok for wild animals to live with you in a house? I don't get this! I would never want to own a wolf - I'm not god and I do not have the rights to put an wild animal in a human surroundings. There are so many different dog breeds in the world + millions of mixed breeds. And still some people think it is ok to take real wolfs home - you cannot replace their pack - you are not able to run with them hundreds of kilometers everyday. Your wishes are selfish because it is not that what is the best for the animal.
Sorry to say this but it is my opinion to let the wild animals wild.
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Sylvaen » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:13 pm

Cornelia1986 wrote:What is your intention when you say you will own a pure wolf or a pure coyote? Why would you mate them together? What is the reason behind this?
Why do you think it would be ok for wild animals to live with you in a house? I don't get this! I would never want to own a wolf - I'm not god and I do not have the rights to put an wild animal in a human surroundings. There are so many different dog breeds in the world + millions of mixed breeds. And still some people think it is ok to take real wolfs home - you cannot replace their pack - you are not able to run with them hundreds of kilometers everyday. Your wishes are selfish because it is not that what is the best for the animal.
Sorry to say this but it is my opinion to let the wild animals wild.
Well said.
Also, in order to embark on such a project, I have no doubt that special licences and permits would be required (as well as $10,000s to cover the costs of building a proper "research" facility with the necessary facilities in order to obtain the required licences and permits) - not to mention a zoological / biological degree, at the bare minimum. There are already many wolf research facilities in existence, why not try to get a job working at one of them?... instead of trying to create your own from scratch with only the most basic of resources and experience.
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Tiantai » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:14 pm

Thanks for the suggestion Debby :)
Well I do plan to join the Northern Lights Wildlife Wolf Centre in British Columbia. I'll start off from there before starting my own Western Coywolf hybrid behavioural research. If I can get an okay from them I may not have to do this at home but in a place where they can roam more freely like how the Sawtooth Pack did. I'll start with that in mind.
Cornelia1986 wrote: What is your intention when you say you will own a pure wolf or a pure coyote? Why would you mate them together? What is the reason behind this?
The reason why I am thinking on choosing the western BC subspecies (Canis lupus irremotus or Canis lupus columbianus) for this captive hybridization is because they're among the "pure" wolf populations in comparison to the Great Plains, Manitoba, and Hudson subspecies who all have mild coyote introgressions. I have already stated my reason above, because the wolves in the eastern Canada have been hybrids for over 600 years and are evolving into a new species and the Mexican Coywolf hybridization which had taken place decades ago coupled with the fact that those hybrids in the south have already backcrossed with their parent species, no one knows how the first generation Mexican grey wolf-coyote hybrids or the early eastern Great Plains wolf/Pre-Columbian Eastern coyote hybrids behaved or how a pack consisting of a pure alpha Grey wolf and she-coyote operated. All we have today are Coywolve hybrids backcrossing with pure coyotes and wolves but there isn't a single observational research on how an F1 pack may have functioned or a clear explanation on how these mixed animals survived while staying as hybrids within their populations for many generations. That's the mystery that I am passionate about solving. THAT is why I plan on mixing a captive pair using two pure species. While they will be living in a properly protected area and won't be pure wild, at least they and their hybrid offsprings could help give some new insights on how the early hybrids from hundreds of years ago in the east behaved and what allowed them to survive without too much backcrossing with the two parent species.

http://www.northernlightswildlife.com/

Anyways, I'm going to end this discussion here.
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Re: Lycan, American Wolfdog high content

Post by Lynwae » Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:57 am

Hello,
This saturday, we made a very nice hike, and met some friendly people who were curious about the dogs, but not afraids at all.
That was a very pleasant time.

This sunday, we made a walk with Tyr, who is the bordel colley of my former roomate.
That was... Awfull.
Lycan had a quarrel with him a few months ago (this walk : https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... bd081bf80c), but he was still a baby and submited immideatly.
Yesterday when he saw tyr he tested him right away. And the verdict was very simple : lycan is stronger (in mind and physically) than Tyr.
From this point, he has only one idea in mind : make him pay.
So after a very painfull walk, my bf took lycan away so we can have a funier time with Ayla and Tyr.
We have to dogsit Tyr next week, during three days, and we will have to take them apart from each other in order to prevent Tyr from being killed.
That's not fun, and my baby boy is only six months old....
*facepalm*

Lot of work to come.

Anyway, here are saturday's photos.
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