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USA Puppy Mills Petition

Post by Misaya » Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:42 am

Perhaps some of you might like to sign this petition.

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clic ... WelfareAct
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Post by weylyn » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:30 pm

Done it

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Post by Sylvaen » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:35 pm

I signed it too! :D
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Post by JoshC » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:27 pm

I am in

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Post by ilora » Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:39 pm

I guess you can only sign if you live in the US?
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Post by Misaya » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:00 pm

Well, I was able to sign it and I live in the UK :)
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Post by Sylvaen » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:34 pm

I signed it and I live in Europe. :)
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Post by mexxhundekumpel » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:54 pm

Just as I also live in europe and i signed it too.....

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Post by ilora » Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:25 pm

Yep, I was able to sign too, and did so. I just wondered how someone from europe can help a US petition go through!

To be true, I'm not very much into politics, maybe that's why I got confused. My thought was that one can only really push a petition if living in the country where the law shall be formed. Like in an election: you only have a valid "voice" if you live in the country associated country.

On the other hand: puppies and their wealth are concerning everyone, or at least should do so. x3 When I skimmed through their other petitions I learned they gather signatures from people everywhere, for issues everywhere. Seems to be possible and legit, luckily. =D
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Post by Misaya » Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:59 pm

I'm not much into politics either but I reckoned if the petition allowed you to sign it there was no reason why you shouldnt. It might be helpful to have people from other countries join in as you would hope the country concerned would care how it appears to others (probably a bit optimistic I suppose). Anyway its not as if we are hurling abuse at them, only asking them nicely to change some things.

Anyway, the organisations concerned seem glad of the support as shown here:
http://www.tamaskan-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=165 :)
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Puppy Mill Awareness!

Post by Sylvaen » Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:26 pm

The Puppy Mill Awareness Day events are ongoing this weekend for those living in the USA!
Spread the word! :D

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Re: Puppy Mill Awareness!

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This Is An Email From The Kennel Club Celebrities including Gavin and Stacey's Joanna Page, rock legends Liam Gallagher and Paul Weller and stars from EastEnders and The Bill will be getting tongues - and tails - wagging, as they lend their support to PUP AID 2010.

The event which aims to raise awareness of the cruel puppy farming industry, is the UK's first-ever charity boutique music festival and celebrity-judged dog. It will take place at the picturesque Stanmer House, in über-dog-friendly Brighton, this Sunday 19th September.

In addition to the celebrity-judged dog show and boutique music festival a classic Epiphone Casino guitar will be up for auction on the day, signed by rock legends Liam Gallagher, Paul Weller, Gary Moore and The Clash's Mick Jones. The money from the auction will go to Dogs Trust Shoreham http://www.dogstrust.org.uk/rehoming/se ... fault.aspx, the Kennel Club Charitable Trust http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/charitabletrust, which invests money in dog health research and dog welfare charities and Oldies Club http://www.oldies.org.uk/ - a small charity re-homing older unwanted dogs.

PUP AID 2010 is a fun day out for every member of the family - especially your four-legged ones - with games, raffles and prizes galore.

People can enter their crossbreed dogs into the Kennel Club's ever popular Scruffts competition http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/scruffts, which will be judged by dog-loving celebrities including David Spinx (best know as Keith Miller from EastEnders) and Chris Ellison (DI Burnside from The Bill). Finalists will go through to the Scruffts grand final at Discover Dogs http://www.discoverdogs.org.uk/ in Earls Court 1, London on 13-14 November and money raised from entries (GBP2 per dog) will go to the Kennel Club Charitable Trust.

Other fun classes for pedigrees and cross breeds include Most Glamorous Six Legs (owner and dog) - judges of which include designers Meg Matthews and Louis Mariette, as well as Best Stand-up - the dog who stands up best on their hind-legs - judged by Brighton's top stand-up comedians! Best in Show will be judged by actress Joanna Page.

For those people who want to practice their singing, there's dog-themed Karaoke with the top three singers going through to the live Rex Factor final on the main stage in front of a panel of celebrity judges!

There will be a moving parade of rescued ex-breeding puppy farm bitches, exciting displays by Canine Partners http://www.caninepartners.co.uk/ and rare British dog breeds, as well as free training advice, microchipping and have-a-go agility. And as part of the mouth-watering Brighton & Hove Food Festival http://www.brightonfoodfestival.com/, gourmet chefs will be cooking healthy and locally-sourced tasty treats for visitors and their dogs.

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RSPCA Campaign against Puppy Farms

Post by JulieSmith » Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:36 pm

Hi has anyone else noticed that the RSPCA are running a campaign against puppy farms at the moment?

There is a blog discussion on whether dog licencing would work or not, the feeling at the moment is that they would not work, and other suggestions are being made. If anyone has some good ideas on how to make it difficult for puppy farms to sell dogs then it might be worth adding them to the blog.

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http://giveanimalsavoice.org.uk/blog/do ... licensing/

Most people commenting are pet owners or those with rescue dogs who think most breeders are out to make money at the expense of the dog, so some of the comments are aimed at limiting the ability of people to be able to breed dogs.

I am not sure if puppy farms will ever be got rid of, but the harder it can be made for them to operate the better.

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Re: RSPCA Campaign against Puppy Farms

Post by JonathanJ » Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:45 pm

Hello Julie,

Most states, counties and townships have laws requiring the registration of animals. Here in Ala. rabies vaccinations amount to that requirement. If the ability to breed dogs were to require more regulation, then well meaning people as well as those who would become puppy mills are going to be impacted. I don't have an answer for that. With regulation comes fees, licensing issues and would become rife with fraud and abuse.

I guess that it needs the attention of people like us, owners and breeders holding themselves to a higher standard and policing of the ( god I hate using this word) industry, to ensure that those who abuse are put out of business. If they can't make money they will find another way other than animals to do it.
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Re: Puppy Mill Awareness!

Post by JulieSmith » Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:50 pm

Hi Jonathan,

I am not sure what the answer is either, licencing does not seem to work responsible owners get them the rest don't, and it does not stop puppy farms.

There does seem to be enough regulation of breeding in the UK, but what does seem to be lacking is the willingness of the authorities uphold them.

The main problem (in the UK at least) is that the internet make it easier for puppy farms to hide. One charity web site I read said that most people would not like to buy from a puppy farm, but some had by mistake. So prehaps the answer is to make it easier for the buyer to identify good breeders.

I have gone on the waiting list for my first Tamaskan and I was really concerned that I got a good breeder especially as I have had to put down a deposit before it is even born so I can not do the usual check of being able to see the puppy with its mum in the home. I am not sure what would have made the decision easier, or if it should be easier as now I am happy that we have the correct breeder and breed of dog for us.

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Post by Sylvaen » Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:55 pm

Personally, I would like to see a limit on the number of adult breeding dogs that any individual is allowed to own.
20 should be the max, as any more than that is just rediculous (not counting sterilized / castrated pets). The only problem is if a husband and wife can each own 20, then that's 40 breeding dogs. So maybe it should be 20 breeding dogs per household. I'd also like it if health testing was mandatory: hips, eyes, genetic disorders, etc.

All commercial breeding facilities should be made illegal. There are tooooo many animals euthanized at animal shelters each year to justify their existence, especially when they don't breed to standard or breeder "designer" mutts: anything-poo, etc. If you want a mix: go to an animal shelter. If you want a purebred: go to a reputable breeder. Period.

I don't want to see any law that will penalize good, reputable breeders... but backyard breeders and puppy mills MUST be stopped. NO dog should ever be sold in a pet store and buyers should have the option of either going to a reputable breeder OR an animal shelter. Accidental litters from unsuspecting / uneducated owners should be given away for free... no more mass production for profit.
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Re: Puppy Mill Awareness!

Post by JonathanJ » Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:19 pm

Sylvaen wrote:Personally, I would like to see a limit on the number of adult breeding dogs that any individual is allowed to own.
20 should be the max, as any more than that is just rediculous (not counting sterilized / castrated pets). The only problem is if a husband and wife can each own 20, then that's 40 breeding dogs. So maybe it should be 20 breeding dogs per household.
Good Lord! with 20 breeding pairs each can you imagine the amount of poop to clean up............I got it!!!, sell the poop as fertilizer :) I couldn't handle that many for sure...........if this were our only source of income, I couldn't do that.
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Post by Sylvaen » Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:43 pm

Yep, I couldn't handle more than 5 or 6 dogs at a time... so I don't know how people manage with more, but I'm sure they hire assistants to help. I only suggest 20 because I know that Puppy Mills generally have over 30, 40, 50 or more breeding dogs... some have over 100 or even 200. THAT is crazy.
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Post by Nino » Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:51 pm

Sylvaen wrote:Yep, I couldn't handle more than 5 or 6 dogs at a time... so I don't know how people manage with more, but I'm sure they hire assistants to help. I only suggest 20 because I know that Puppy Mills generally have over 30, 40, 50 or more breeding dogs... some have over 100 or even 200. THAT is crazy.
Yeah Its crazy, BUT if you had that many dogs and hired assistants to walk, talk, play and train with the dogs, then I cannot see it as a big problem.
Thats to me where the big difference is between a commercial kennel and a puppy mill.
Besides health testing, animal welfare and like that.
Also I do believe that if you have a large kennel you should stick to breed standards and not just breed on every dog if it doesn't fit into the standard, has gone through health testing and probably even have been showed at some point..
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Post by blufawn » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:27 pm

I had 7 dogs at one point, a rescue Deerhound and a rescue Tamaskan (Luna) and my friends border collie all living in the house. I have to say 7 were quite easy to care for. They went for 4 runs a day on my half an acre and they went for one long walk a week in the forest in two groups (except the border collie who was too old) of course I had the land which meant they did not need daily long walks as they would run and play together. But I could not have fit another dog into the house because of space and of course when they go into kennels and become outdoor dogs I think that changes things and you become a 'kennel' and not a pet owner who breeds.
Then when your churning them out for money and quit your job you become a commercial kennel, when you ignore health issues in your pups and breed substandard dogs with genetic illnesses all on the name of money, then I believe they are puppy farms/mills.
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Post by JonathanJ » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:01 pm

Terri and I have 4.8 acres for ous to run on, woods, creek and all. We use about 2 and the rest belongs to them but still when we were for a short time up to 6 outside and one inside, it was a lot sometimes.
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Post by JulieSmith » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:53 pm

I think a limit on the number of breeding dogs is a good idea, that and being able to prove that all un-neutered dogs have the appropriate health checks done.

I am not sure about limiting breeding to only established breeds as that would stop new breeds like the Tamaskan being developed.

Unfortunately it seems that to get round the rules puppies are being breed in countries that have less regulation then exporting them. It seems that unless all countries have proper laws that are enforced then puppy farms will continue to exist. A bit depressing really.

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Post by Blustag » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:37 pm

Better hadnt tell ya all how many dogs I have then :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by JulieSmith » Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:10 am

Blustag wrote:Better hadnt tell ya all how many dogs I have then :lol: :lol: :lol:
LOL, I did say a limit on breeding dogs, not total number of dogs. Not sure what the limit should be as some people can cope with more than others. Quality of care matters more than anything and I am sure your dogs get plenty of that.

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Post by Blustag » Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:20 pm

You are absolutely right it is the quality of life your dogs get not about how many you have. My dogs come before anything. Some may not agree with me there but thats the way it is and always will be.

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Re: USA Puppy Mills Petition

Post by Sylvaen » Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:28 pm

VICTORY in Missouri!!!!!! Prop B passed!!!!!!!!!
It was a VERY close win (51.6%) but this is a HUGE step towards outlawing Puppy Mills completely. I am thrilled to hear the news. :D

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/11/02/23 ... souri.html
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Post by Blustag » Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:41 pm

YEY ... :D :D :D

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Post by Misaya » Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:49 pm

Good news:)
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Re: USA Puppy Mills Petition

Post by JulieSmith » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:32 pm

Great news.

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