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Certificate of Entirety

Post by blufawn » Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:49 pm

Don't forget to get your males certified for having two testicles before breeding.
Many vets charge to 'print' your certificate so the TDR has designed a certificate for you to print out at home and take along to your vets to sign.
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Re: Certificate of Entirety

Post by Blustag » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:11 pm

All certificates of entirety have to be forwarded to the TDR ...BEFORE.... breeding, along with all other relevant certificates to prevent delays in registering the puppies, or worse not being able to register them at all.

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Post by kendrrat » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:19 pm

can i just say that is one clean, well designed, gorgeous certificate! id be proud to take that into my vet's office ;)

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Post by Hawthorne » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:04 am

If only some people needed this before reproducing HA!
(just kidding, I know where that argument goes...)
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ENTIRETY CERTIFICATES

Post by Blustag » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:06 pm

For anyone in Europe with a male attending the Euro show next week. If you wish to save vet's fees for a cert of entirety there will be two TDR representitives attending the show who can examine your male for you at no cost. Please speak to either on the day. You will recognise them by their blue t-shirts with the Tamaskan Dog Logo on them.

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Post by AngieH » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:44 pm

Hawthorne wrote:If only some people needed this before reproducing HA!
(just kidding, I know where that argument goes...)

no kidding, my first husband was a criptorchid. :shock:
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Post by Hawthorne » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:46 pm

blufawn wrote:Dont forget to get your males certified for having two testicles before breeding.
Many vets charge to 'print' your certificate so the TDR has designed a certificate for you to print out at home and take along to your vets to sign.
Is this still the correct certificate to use?
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Post by Tarheel » Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:11 am

Yes,
That is fine to use. You can type all the information in and just get your vet to sign it when the pups get examined.
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Re: Certificate of Entirety

Post by Hawthorne » Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:47 pm

Cool. Thanks! I know I asked you this already--but not specifically about this particular certificate.
Weeee! Puppies are so wonderful!
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Re: Certificate of Entirety

Post by Blustag » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:26 am

Dont forget to send a copy of the signed certificate to the TDR ;)

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Post by Hawthorne » Sun May 13, 2012 1:08 am

We had these signed for our male pups who already had two. Only one boy did not have two but I am sure he is just far too young. Our vet didn'tcharge anything to sign them
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Re: Certificate of Entirety

Post by Nino » Sun May 13, 2012 2:27 pm

Hmm.. shouldn't these first be signed when the dog has become a certain age?
Isn't there a small risk that testies can go back up?
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Post by Sylvaen » Sun May 13, 2012 2:44 pm

Nino wrote:Hmm.. shouldn't these first be signed when the dog has become a certain age?
Isn't there a small risk that testies can go back up?
Yes... at 8 weeks I just get the vet to sign a statement as to whether they can feel both, one or none.
Once a dog is 12 months old, a vet can sign the Certificate of Entirety as by then it should be obvious if a male is entire or not.
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Post by Asvodian » Sat May 19, 2012 6:15 pm

Sylvaen wrote:
Nino wrote:Hmm.. shouldn't these first be signed when the dog has become a certain age?
Isn't there a small risk that testies can go back up?
Yes... at 8 weeks I just get the vet to sign a statement as to whether they can feel both, one or none.
Once a dog is 12 months old, a vet can sign the Certificate of Entirety as by then it should be obvious if a male is entire or not.
so we have them sign the certificate at 12 months then?

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Post by Hawthorne » Mon May 21, 2012 12:52 am

Okie dokie. That's news to me, thanks for the info about having to be 12 months old. I also thought of it as a way to inform the buyer that the pup did or did not have an issue--but your right: one male who went home had two descended testicles and has had one go back up.
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Re: Certificate of Entirety

Post by Nino » Mon May 21, 2012 5:54 pm

Well I guess it could probably be done at both times - since it isn't sold with a "fault" when this is signed, but the final one would be when the dog was older (I actually thing they say up until 18 month the position can change)
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Post by AZDehlin » Mon May 21, 2012 5:58 pm

Nino wrote:Well I guess it could probably be done at both times - since it isn't sold with a "fault" when this is signed, but the final one would be when the dog was older (I actually thing they say up until 18 month the position can change)
Really 18 months? Not be gross or anything but as for what I see on my intact male there is no way I see those things retreating back up :oops:

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Re: Certificate of Entirety

Post by Nino » Mon May 21, 2012 6:00 pm

I think 18 months is in the very rare occasion :)

(not gross at all.. perfectly natural thing to talk about - did you know that some breeds like the English bulldog they caress the testies when they show them to make them stand still? :lol: )
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Post by AZDehlin » Mon May 21, 2012 6:05 pm

Nino wrote:I think 18 months is in the very rare occasion :)

(not gross at all.. perfectly natural thing to talk about - did you know that some breeds like the English bulldog they caress the testies when they show them to make them stand still? :lol: )
Ok, Cause Zephyr is 10 months old and he his been well endowed since around six months. I always wondered what the people showing those breeds and some others were doing... Now I know. :lol:

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Re: Certificate of Entirety

Post by Blustag » Mon May 21, 2012 8:04 pm

When we first designed the certificate and it became a rule to have them signed and sent in to the TDR there was no age limit
at that time. I dont personally mind if a rule is made stating that this must be done 'not before' a certain age BUT ... at 6 months
of age I doubt very much if well endowed boys testicles will go 'back up' :lol: My Maverick here is now 9 months and has been
well endowed since he was much younger :lol: The important issue is that they have two testicles BEFORE any mating takes place.

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Post by AZDehlin » Mon May 21, 2012 8:19 pm

Blustag wrote:When we first designed the certificate and it became a rule to have them signed and sent in to the TDR there was no age limit
at that time. I dont personally mind if a rule is made stating that this must be done 'not before' a certain age BUT ... at 6 months
of age I doubt very much if well endowed boys testicles will go 'back up' :lol: My Maverick here is now 9 months and has been
well endowed since he was much younger :lol: The important issue is that they have two testicles BEFORE any mating takes place.
Maverick and Zephyr are brothers... must run in the family. Can't believe they will be one in less than two months.

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Re: Certificate of Entirety

Post by Eventide » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:57 pm

Does this still apply if I am planning on having Max tested to determine if he can become a TDR stud?
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Post by Sylvaen » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:04 pm

Dottie wrote:Does this still apply if I am planning on having Max tested to determine if he can become a TDR stud?
Yes - all males need to have this completed before they can be listed as official Stud Dogs. :)
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Post by AZDehlin » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:14 pm

Thanks Debby I will have the new one done by my vet next time I take Zephyr in... Then send it out.

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Post by Eventide » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:14 am

I have one for Max from a year ago. Do I need to get it updated to the new version? Also, who should I send it to?
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Post by Hawthorne » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:00 am

We supplied Max's to Dottie. We also have the old certificate for Darwin. Do all old certificates need to be updated? I submitted our original certificate to the TDR for Darwin. Dottie--I think you would scan Max's and send it to Rahne unless they want the new one. I would just take it in with you to your next vet appointment and ask the vet to sign it.
Our vet laughed because she had never seen something like this before. She didn't charge extra to verify Darwin was entire, though. Which was refreshing...
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Re: Certificate of Entirety

Post by Eventide » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:29 am

Hawthorne wrote:We supplied Max's to Dottie. We also have the old certificate for Darwin. Do all old certificates need to be updated? I submitted our original certificate to the TDR for Darwin. Dottie--I think you would scan Max's and send it to Rahne unless they want the new one. I would just take it in with you to your next vet appointment and ask the vet to sign it.
Our vet laughed because she had never seen something like this before. She didn't charge extra to verify Darwin was entire, though. Which was refreshing...
Thanks Tracy, and I'll do both -- scan and send the one you gave me and print the new one and have the vet check and sign and send as well (won't be too difficult to verify as they're both very obviously there and intact :roll: ) .
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Post by Hawthorne » Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:07 am

Dottie wrote:(won't be too difficult to verify as they're both very obviously there and intact :roll: ) .
Hooray for testicles! :lol:
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