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Post by Link9 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:53 pm

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Post by Vajente » Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:58 pm

he is gorgeous! Love the name :D
who are his parents?

welcome :)

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Post by Vajente » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:01 pm

ah I already thought he looked a bit like my boy :P
I have Mavericks full brother

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Post by Link9 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:06 pm

Is he your profile picture, if so he's lovely.
I can't wait for mine to get bigger to see what he looks like.

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Post by TParham86 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:33 pm

Welcome to the forum. You have a beautiful puppy! :D love to see more pictures of him.

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Post by HiTenshi16 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:26 pm

Hi! Welcome to the forum, and congratulations on your boy Link :)
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Post by Sylvaen » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:48 pm

Welcome to the forum! :D
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Post by Eventide » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:30 pm

Welcome, and everyone here loves to watch the pups grow, so lots of pictures of your handsome little man please :D
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Post by Nino » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:27 pm

Welcome to the forum :D
Are you the one from the Alaskan Shepherd group?
Else I have seen a brother of your guy there :D
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Post by Link9 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:51 pm

Hi Nino, yep from the alaskan shepherd group.

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Post by Nino » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:49 pm

Yeay :D
Welcome here - It is mostly a very nice place to be!
(and not as controlled what people write as some other places so that people can say their actual opinion) :)
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Post by Katlin » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:18 am

Lol yup, we don't delete questions either ;) your boy is very cute. Nevada is my boy Wylie's gramma :)
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Post by Tiantai » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:58 pm

A warm welcome to you from Canada :)

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Post by Vajente » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:29 pm

Link9 wrote:Is he your profile picture, if so he's lovely.
I can't wait for mine to get bigger to see what he looks like.
yes that is him, Ravi(Blustag Bearberry), your puppy's uncle :)
we are very happy with him even though Lynn lied to us about his parentage

love to see how your little boy is going to look like when he is older :D

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Post by Link9 » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:31 pm

I love going on here and seeing everyone else's dogs. Links first walk tomorrow so very excited. :P

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Post by AZDehlin » Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:47 pm

Such a good looking boy

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Post by Link9 » Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:05 pm

Thankyou, he is such a little gem. Took him out for his first walk the other day and he was brilliant, first time someone walked past he lay down but now he isn't bothered by anything. He is 100% house trained as well, we haven't had an accident for the last week and if he needs to go out in the night he jumps on my head to wake me up lol. Very pleased with him so far, he is such an intelligent boy, need to crack on with his training now but he already knows sit, wait and leave. He also learned how to play fetch by watching me play it with our other dog which i thought was very clever. Can't wait to see what he learns next.

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Re: New Member, UK

Post by Vajente » Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:13 pm

For Link?

You can test it by DNA. You can ask John for the test.
There is DNA of Nevada to compare it to but not of Maverick. There is from Mavericks brother and sister so should be possible to compare to those.
Would be great if you would do that it might give us the ability to prove Maverick isnt from Nanna either

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Post by Vajente » Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:36 pm

Maverick is registerd yes but wasnt tested yet when the blus left.

Mavericks parentage is not correct, it probably says nanny mcphee on the papers you got but that is not his mother, his Mother is a malamute.

I dont know if its possible to registrer Link if his dad isnt in the database you should contact the tdr for that

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Post by Sylvaen » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:13 am

Basically, it seems there were 4 puppies out of Jackal x Nanny McPhee (approved Husky outcross) and 5 puppies out of Jackal x one of Lynn's female Malamutes (either Ellie or Devon) and they simply listed all 9 puppies as being out of Nanny McPhee, selling all the puppies as legitimate Tamaskans with fake pedigrees. It didn't come to light until some of those pups (future breeding dogs) were DNA profiled once they were of age for breeding, and the DNA just didn't match up with the parents listed on their pedigrees (in this case, DNA proved that Jackal was the sire but it also proved that Nanny was not the dam, nor any other mother listed in the Tamaskan DNA database)... and then all the puzzle pieces fell into place. (Maverick is one of the offspring from this combination.)

Similar situation with their "Rose" Litter (Jackal X Heidi) in which some of the pups were actually sired by Rann, which is the same situation with their "Pigs" litter... (the dam was Nevada, but they invented a female named "Foxy" to hide the fact that the pups were out of Nevada because Nevada had already given birth to another litter only 6 months previously). viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3166

And their "X-men" Litter, in which some of the pups were actually sired by Jackal (not Dingo as listed on their pedigrees) and their "Herbs" Litter, in which some of the pups (such as Winni) were accidentally sired by Riker (Canadian Eskimo Dog: CED) not Jackal, as listed on their pedigrees... later on they listed Riker as "Brown Wolf" to hide the fact that Riker was a CED.

Same old story, repeated time and time again. In short, it's a big mess and the puppy pedigrees they hand out aren't worth the paper they are printed on. Luckily it is relatively easy to prove parentage via DNA analysis: comparing the DNA profiles of both parents listed on the pedigree, with the DNA profile of the individual puppy. Of course, if the dog isn't listed in the Tamaskan DNA database (such as Lynn's Malamutes) then there is no way to verify parentage, only to confirm that the pedigree provided with the puppy is fake / fraudulent, because one or both of the parents are not a match.
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Re: New Member, UK

Post by Link9 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:43 am

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Post by Sylvaen » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:43 am

Do you have copies of Maverick and Nevada's DNA profiles (and copies of their health certificates)? We already have Nevada's DNA markers in the Tamaskan DNA database, but I presume your pup was not DNA profiled by Blustag before you got him? However, you should have received copies of your pup's parents health documents / DNA certificates at the very least. DNA profiling is a relatively simple, straightforward and cheap process; John Bannow (Tarheel) can send you a swab sampling kit... and then your pup can be profiled to confirm parentage (if Nevada is indeed his dam). You will have to ask Blustag for a copy of Maverick's original DNA profile certificate (so we can see if Maverick is indeed the sire of your pup)... good luck with that! :)
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Post by Vajente » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:03 pm

Sylvaen wrote: and 5 puppies out of Jackal x one of Lynn's female Malamutes (either Ellie or Devon) and they simply listed all 9 puppies as being out of Nanny McPhee
there were 6, 10 in total

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Post by Sylvaen » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:22 pm

Vajente wrote:
Sylvaen wrote: and 5 puppies out of Jackal x one of Lynn's female Malamutes (either Ellie or Devon) and they simply listed all 9 puppies as being out of Nanny McPhee
there were 6, 10 in total
oops, my mistake... thanks for spotting that :)

With hindsight, a husky having a litter of 10 puppies should have raised warning flags... it can happen, but it is very rare. However, all 10 pups looked so similar when they were young that it was hard to notice that 4 of them looked different to the other 6. Now that they are adults, the differences are so obvious... and, of course, for a breeder who already had so many adult breeding dogs at that time to keep THREE pups from that "same" litter (Maverick, Bandit and Axel) should also have rung alarm bells. Unfortunately most of us like to believe the best in others and don't expect to be deceived so scandalously... it was such a disappointment when the truth came to light. But you live and learn...
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Post by Vajente » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:36 pm

it's easy to forget Foxbrush no one knows where she is

if you look at the puppy pics now it's easy to see there were 2 groups, they never put them together(I'm guessing they differ in size, they probably weren't born at the same day)
I did found some things a bit weird back then but never suspected anything

Ravi does have a beter temperament then the Nanny pups so in the end I'm happy about it :P

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Post by Sylvaen » Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:44 pm

Vajente wrote:it's easy to forget Foxbrush no one knows where she is
Actually, I tracked her down last year... she lives in Cornwall (UK). I will send you a PM :)
Vajente wrote:if you look at the puppy pics now it's easy to see there were 2 groups, they never put them together(I'm guessing they differ in size, they probably weren't born at the same day)
I did found some things a bit weird back then but never suspected anything
Yep, that's the beauty of hindsight... it is so obvious now but at the time no one had any reason to suspect anything.
Vajente wrote:Ravi does have a beter temperament then the Nanny pups so in the end I'm happy about it :P
That's good to hear, though Shay (Ravi's sister) had to be rehomed because she was too dominant and acted too much like a Malamute.
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Post by Sylvaen » Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:35 pm

Link9 wrote:No we didn't receive any health documents or DNA certificates. I wasn't expecting any though as i havn't had them before with previous dogs.
Hmmm strange. What other breeds have you owned in the past? Here in mainland Europe, when you buy a rare purebred puppy it is usual to get copies of the parent's health documents and, of course, an official pedigree. These days, most breeders have digital scans of their breeding dogs' original health certificates directly on their websites. Anyway, if the breeder is reputable, it should be no issue to request copies of those documents / certificates. :)
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Post by Vajente » Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:56 pm

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Vajente wrote:it's easy to forget Foxbrush no one knows where she is
Actually, I tracked her down last year... she lives in Cornwall (UK). I will send you a PM :)
Thank you, nice to see how see turned out :)
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Vajente wrote:Ravi does have a beter temperament then the Nanny pups so in the end I'm happy about it :P
That's good to hear, though Shay (Ravi's sister) had to be rehomed because she was too dominant and acted too much like a Malamute.
I think she was just a little too much to handle for her previous owner according to Rachel she has an excellent temperament.
Link9 wrote:No we didn't receive any health documents or DNA certificates. I wasn't expecting any though as i havn't had them before with previous dogs.
You probably won't get anything from Lynn no matter how nice you ask, you can always try off course.

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Post by Sylvaen » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:20 pm

Vajente wrote:Thank you, nice to see how see turned out :)
No problem :)
Vajente wrote:I think she was just a little too much to handle for her previous owner according to Rachel she has an excellent temperament.
True... but perhaps another litter / combination might have been more suitable for Shay's previous owner. It is very important for breeders to properly match each litter (and individual puppies within each litter) with the right home, according to the puppy's character / temperament, with consideration to the household itself: other pets, children, planned activities, daily routine, etc. It isn't easy to assign pups and it can be very difficult, at times, to tell someone "sorry but I think you should hold off for now and get a puppy from XYZ combination instead, which would be much better suited to your lifestyle" (especially if that person has already been waiting a long time for a puppy)... but, in the end, it's worth the extra effort of finding the perfect match because then rehoming is rarely an issue.
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Re: New Member, UK

Post by Nino » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:23 pm

Debby.. I didn't recieve papers either on our current dog - BUT I CAN access the information in the kennel club database :)
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Post by Link9 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:28 pm

If i cant get the paperwork would it still be possible to do a DNA test.

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Post by Sylvaen » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:48 pm

Link9 wrote:If i cant get the paperwork would it still be possible to do a DNA test.
Yes, you can still have him DNA profiled and then we could see if Nevada is a match at least, to confirm if she is indeed his dam.
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Do you know how much it costs and how long it takes etc?

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Post by Sylvaen » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:40 pm

Link9 wrote:Thankyou you all for your help with this, Nevada was with the pups when we visited but with what has happened previously that may mean nothing.
No problem :)
I wonder how many litters Nevada has had by now... 6? 7? I remember she was due to be retired a couple of years ago...
Link9 wrote:Do you know how much it costs and how long it takes etc?
DNA profiling costs around $45 per dog and it takes approximately 3-4 weeks to get the results from the time you send off the DNA sample.
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Re: New Member, UK

Post by Link9 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:47 am

Are there any breeders in the UK now.

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Post by Sylvaen » Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:16 pm

Link9 wrote:Are there any breeders in the UK now.
Nahani is in the UK: http://www.nahani.co.uk/ (I helped to build her website, which is why it looks similar to mine hehe)
Not sure if she'll be having a litter this year or not, but it is also possible for breeders in Europe to export pups to the UK. :)

By the way, please post some more photos of Link in the Tamaskan Photos section! :D
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Post by lilyjane » Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:08 pm

Welcome to the forum ;)

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