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I'm looking at the OFA site for DM tests (here: https://secure.offa.org/cart.html) and they list the breeds recommended to be tested. I don't see Husky or Malamute on the list. Does anyone know if Huskies or Malamutes get DM? If not, could we assume that DM may have made its way into the Tamaskan via the very small number of German Shepherds used ages ago? Just curious. 

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No we didnt get it through a small number of GSD as you mention as in my bloodlines which are the only ones that started our breed off there was only one GSD used and that was many years ago. I am not required to DM test my sibe and mals as we dont have a problem with DM. That is not to say that if they were all tested I wouldnt find that one was a carrier but it is not something that the breed do. The Malamute do test for dwarfism though.
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I think its possible, the lines that carry it are steming from an old Northern Inuit line, the breeder of which also bred German Shepherds and most likely added into the breed some of her own dogs, its highly likely that the DM stems from the addition of GSD because as Lynn says we have not heard of DM in any of our arctic breeds. But it is also found in one other line where as far as we know, no GSD is found?!?!?
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Breeds tested by OFA: http://www.offa.org/stats_dna.html?test=DM
DM in the Siberian Husky (only listing a few as I found a lot more):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12002594
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wktXCbb7HM
http://www.petcarevb.com/dogs/downloads ... Huskys.pdf
http://www.askavetquestion.com/answer_n ... edigrees-c
http://www.genesis4pets.com/hidden/siberian-huskies
http://handicappedpet.net/helppets/view ... =2&t=12178
DM in the Alaskan Malamute:
http://omalmalamutes.com/omal/DM.htm
http://www.myalaskanmalamute.com/health.html
http://www.wildpaw.com/forum/index.php? ... 14958&st=0
I don't think it's very common in those breeds, unlike the GSD, but one carrier is all that it takes.. So you can't really blame one dog/breed for this, it seems to be found in lots of breeds and mixes.
DM in the Siberian Husky (only listing a few as I found a lot more):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12002594
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wktXCbb7HM
http://www.petcarevb.com/dogs/downloads ... Huskys.pdf
http://www.askavetquestion.com/answer_n ... edigrees-c
http://www.genesis4pets.com/hidden/siberian-huskies
http://handicappedpet.net/helppets/view ... =2&t=12178
DM in the Alaskan Malamute:
http://omalmalamutes.com/omal/DM.htm
http://www.myalaskanmalamute.com/health.html
http://www.wildpaw.com/forum/index.php? ... 14958&st=0
I don't think it's very common in those breeds, unlike the GSD, but one carrier is all that it takes.. So you can't really blame one dog/breed for this, it seems to be found in lots of breeds and mixes.
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Oh, I wasn't trying to blame anyone or any breed. I was just curious.
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Zephyr's DM test results are back he is (N/N) = Clear
All I have is hip testing... I will have done later this year.



All I have is hip testing... I will have done later this year.
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Great news, good luck with his hips.
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That is really good news, congratulations 

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Yay Zephyr! Congrats Katelyn!
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yay ZephyrAZDehlin wrote:Zephyr's DM test results are back he is (N/N) = Clear![]()
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All I have is hip testing... I will have done later this year.


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Thank you everyone! I will have Zephyr's hips & elbows tested later this fall.
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Great News 

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So happy to know that Nova is clear...
We will have Maccon tested... he can be carrier or clear.
Either way... still good news !!!
We will have Maccon tested... he can be carrier or clear.
Either way... still good news !!!

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Maccon's (Blustag Silver Dawn) DM clear 

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great newsBlustag wrote:Maccon's (Blustag Silver Dawn) DM clear
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Happy to hear this 

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Balto's parents (Geri and shogun) are both clear. Do I still have to get this test done if I want to breed?
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Congrat's Zephyr...AZDehlin wrote:Zephyr's DM test results are back he is (N/N) = Clear![]()
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All I have is hip testing... I will have done later this year.


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No, he is 'clear by parentage'.Kylievr wrote:Balto's parents (Geri and shogun) are both clear. Do I still have to get this test done if I want to breed?
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Right now I'm a little worried about Jaeger because he's listed as being "at risk" according to Tarheel's official website:
http://www.tarheeltamaskan.com/ourdogs.htm
I hope he does not get affected.
http://www.tarheeltamaskan.com/ourdogs.htm
I hope he does not get affected.

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He is at risk along with one of his siblings that I know of. This litter took place before DM testing, but good news is no more at risk dogs will be born.fangjingtuanlucas wrote:Right now I'm a little worried about Jaeger because he's listed as being "at risk" according to Tarheel's official website:
http://www.tarheeltamaskan.com/ourdogs.htm
I hope he does not get affected.
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Yes I can see that, it was 2009, but Jaeger is still a funny dog and I just hope he doesn't end up suffering that condition. From my understanding, a dog at risk does not always mean that they're actually going to get it 100% although they do have a good chance of it. I hope that by the time I get my pup from Tarheel my dog does not have DM or to the very least is just a carrier but I prefer the former.
Sadly Jaeger's the only male left at Tarheel right now...
You're the alpha male now Jaeger. Blaze will be watching you. I'll leave the rest of this to the other thread.
Sadly Jaeger's the only male left at Tarheel right now...


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With the DM testing, breeders know that a dog tested "At Risk" will never be mated to any dog other than "Clear". If I remember the punnet square thing correctly, then the offspring, theoretically, have a 50% chance of being clear or carrier and never "At Risk". If you breed "At Risk" to "Carrier", then there can be "Clear", "Carrier" and/or "At Risk" puppies produced.
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Problem with the punnet square is that it's only a theoretical measure but there are always chances of things happening outside of the boxes. Although I agree with you that my pup would very unlikely inherit the level of DM at risk and more likely just a carrier.arianwenarie wrote:With the DM testing, breeders know that a dog tested "At Risk" will never be mated to any dog other than "Clear". If I remember the punnet square thing correctly, then the offspring, theoretically, have a 50% chance of being clear or carrier and never "At Risk". If you breed "At Risk" to "Carrier", then there can be "Clear", "Carrier" and/or "At Risk" puppies produced.

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That's not true Lucas! A dog that is 'At Risk' mated with a 'Clear' will only produce 'Carriers', there are NO other possibilities.fangjingtuanlucas wrote:Problem with the punnet square is that it's only a theoretical measure but there are always chances of things happening outside of the boxes. Although I agree with you that my pup would very unlikely inherit the level of DM at risk and more likely just a carrier.arianwenarie wrote:With the DM testing, breeders know that a dog tested "At Risk" will never be mated to any dog other than "Clear". If I remember the punnet square thing correctly, then the offspring, theoretically, have a 50% chance of being clear or carrier and never "At Risk". If you breed "At Risk" to "Carrier", then there can be "Clear", "Carrier" and/or "At Risk" puppies produced.
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Thanks for the clarification, Rahne. I knew there was something wrong with my memory of punnet squares. lol.Rahne wrote: A dog that is 'At Risk' mated with a 'Clear' will only produce 'Carriers', there are NO other possibilities.
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Then my analytical biology professor lied to me
I'm glad then that the chances are 100% for NO risk

I'm glad then that the chances are 100% for NO risk

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Maybe he meant something else? DM is recessive so the pups will inherit ONE gene from both the parents. If one of the parents has two 'normal' genes (clear) it can only pass on a 'normal' gene. The other parent has two 'mutated genes' (at risk) and so can only pass on a 'mutated' gene. Pups will all have on 'normal' and one 'mutated' gene thus being carriers.fangjingtuanlucas wrote:Then my analytical biology professor lied to me![]()
I'm glad then that the chances are 100% for NO risk
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Glad to hear that my pup won't be at risk although I'm still concern about their father nonetheless. I know he is a healthy dog and can almost trot like a wolf don't get me wrong. Not only do I plan to get a pup from a Jaeger x Kana litter but I also want to go back down there to visit and take my dog back with me to give him/her a chance to visit their parents though that's besides the point. Anyways, carrier or not, I WILL STILL get my dog tested when at the appropriate age. It's always better to know so that we can ensure that no more future dogs will be at risk and hopefully the number of carriers become less and less.

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Since the DM test is DNA based, you can test at any age. 

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If you get a Kana x Jeager pup it will be a carrier : NN x nn = Nnfangjingtuanlucas wrote:Glad to hear that my pup won't be at risk although I'm still concern about their father nonetheless. I know he is a healthy dog and can almost trot like a wolf don't get me wrong. Not only do I plan to get a pup from a Jaeger x Kana litter but I also want to go back down there to visit and take my dog back with me to give him/her a chance to visit their parents though that's besides the point. Anyways, carrier or not, I WILL STILL get my dog tested when at the appropriate age. It's always better to know so that we can ensure that no more future dogs will be at risk and hopefully the number of carriers become less and less.
as of your previous statement, perhaps you were thinking of genetic mutations?
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Yeah that was exactly what I confused myself withHawthorne wrote: as of your previous statement, perhaps you were thinking of genetic mutations?


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you shouldn't need to test your pup from a Jaegar mating.
He would always be bred to a clear female, and all the pups would be carriers, therefore no need for spending the money on testing that better on something else
He would always be bred to a clear female, and all the pups would be carriers, therefore no need for spending the money on testing that better on something else

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There is always extra tests to have done.. the Hip and Eye is only the minimum 

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Darwin is clear for DM. Results were posted to our account today and should be public soon.
Yay!
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public link to test results: http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1523086#animal
Yay!

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public link to test results: http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1523086#animal
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Yay...! 


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Good news
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Great news 

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Max (Hawthorne Hellroaring Canyon) is clear (normal)!
http://www.offa.org/results.html?printable=results
http://www.offa.org/results.html?printable=results
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More good news, Congrats
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