DM test for the Tamaskan

Hawthorne · Post by **Hawthorne** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:45 pm

I'm looking at the OFA site for DM tests (here: https://secure.offa.org/cart.html) and they list the breeds recommended to be tested. I don't see Husky or Malamute on the list. Does anyone know if Huskies or Malamutes get DM? If not, could we assume that DM may have made its way into the Tamaskan via the very small number of German Shepherds used ages ago? Just curious.

Blustag · Post by **Blustag** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:41 pm

No we didnt get it through a small number of GSD as you mention as in my bloodlines which are the only ones that started our breed off there was only one GSD used and that was many years ago. I am not required to DM test my sibe and mals as we dont have a problem with DM. That is not to say that if they were all tested I wouldnt find that one was a carrier but it is not something that the breed do. The Malamute do test for dwarfism though.

blufawn · Post by **blufawn** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:19 am

I think its possible, the lines that carry it are steming from an old Northern Inuit line, the breeder of which also bred German Shepherds and most likely added into the breed some of her own dogs, its highly likely that the DM stems from the addition of GSD because as Lynn says we have not heard of DM in any of our arctic breeds. But it is also found in one other line where as far as we know, no GSD is found?!?!?

Rahne · Post by **Rahne** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:31 pm

Breeds tested by OFA: http://www.offa.org/stats_dna.html?test=DM

DM in the Siberian Husky (only listing a few as I found a lot more):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12002594
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wktXCbb7HM
http://www.petcarevb.com/dogs/downloads ... Huskys.pdf
http://www.askavetquestion.com/answer_n ... edigrees-c
http://www.genesis4pets.com/hidden/siberian-huskies
http://handicappedpet.net/helppets/view ... =2&t=12178

DM in the Alaskan Malamute:
http://omalmalamutes.com/omal/DM.htm
http://www.myalaskanmalamute.com/health.html
http://www.wildpaw.com/forum/index.php? ... 14958&st=0

I don't think it's very common in those breeds, unlike the GSD, but one carrier is all that it takes.. So you can't really blame one dog/breed for this, it seems to be found in lots of breeds and mixes.

Hawthorne · Post by **Hawthorne** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:07 pm

Oh, I wasn't trying to blame anyone or any breed. I was just curious.

AZDehlin · Post by **AZDehlin** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:45 pm

Zephyr's DM test results are back he is (N/N) = Clear

All I have is hip testing... I will have done later this year.

Post by **Katlin** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:07 am

YAY!!!

Rahne · Post by **Rahne** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:08 am

Congrats with Zephyr his results!

JulieSmith · Post by **JulieSmith** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:28 am

Great news, good luck with his hips.

HiTenshi16 · Post by **HiTenshi16** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:34 am

Congrats! That is great news

Misaya · Post by **Misaya** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:46 pm

That is really good news, congratulations

Hawthorne · Post by **Hawthorne** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:28 pm

Yay Zephyr! Congrats Katelyn!

Post by **TerriHolt** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:19 pm

AZDehlin wrote:Zephyr's DM test results are back he is (N/N) = Clear

All I have is hip testing... I will have done later this year.

yay Zephyr

juice · Post by **juice** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:51 pm

well done zephyer

AZDehlin · Post by **AZDehlin** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:44 pm

Thank you everyone! I will have Zephyr's hips & elbows tested later this fall.

Blustag · Post by **Blustag** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:29 am

Great News

susann · Post by **susann** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:37 am

So happy to know that Nova is clear...
We will have Maccon tested... he can be carrier or clear.

Either way... still good news !!!

HiTenshi16 · Post by **HiTenshi16** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:59 am

Exciting

Blustag · Post by **Blustag** » Wed May 09, 2012 6:44 pm

Maccon's (Blustag Silver Dawn) DM clear

JulieSmith · Post by **JulieSmith** » Wed May 09, 2012 7:00 pm

Blustag wrote:Maccon's (Blustag Silver Dawn) DM clear

great news

Misaya · Post by **Misaya** » Thu May 10, 2012 9:55 am

Happy to hear this

Booma · Post by **Booma** » Thu May 10, 2012 10:05 am

Balto's parents (Geri and shogun) are both clear. Do I still have to get this test done if I want to breed?

issylupus · Post by **issylupus** » Thu May 10, 2012 10:13 am

AZDehlin wrote:Zephyr's DM test results are back he is (N/N) = Clear

All I have is hip testing... I will have done later this year.

Congrat's Zephyr...

This should bode well when I get Shay tested. I'm going to wait untill She's had her hip score done first.

Rahne · Post by **Rahne** » Thu May 10, 2012 10:38 am

Kylievr wrote:Balto's parents (Geri and shogun) are both clear. Do I still have to get this test done if I want to breed?

No, he is 'clear by parentage'.

Tiantai · Post by **Tiantai** » Fri May 11, 2012 4:31 am

Right now I'm a little worried about Jaeger because he's listed as being "at risk" according to Tarheel's official website:

http://www.tarheeltamaskan.com/ourdogs.htm

I hope he does not get affected.

AZDehlin · Post by **AZDehlin** » Fri May 11, 2012 3:35 pm

fangjingtuanlucas wrote:Right now I'm a little worried about Jaeger because he's listed as being "at risk" according to Tarheel's official website:

http://www.tarheeltamaskan.com/ourdogs.htm

I hope he does not get affected.

He is at risk along with one of his siblings that I know of. This litter took place before DM testing, but good news is no more at risk dogs will be born.

Tiantai · Post by **Tiantai** » Fri May 11, 2012 5:20 pm

Yes I can see that, it was 2009, but Jaeger is still a funny dog and I just hope he doesn't end up suffering that condition. From my understanding, a dog at risk does not always mean that they're actually going to get it 100% although they do have a good chance of it. I hope that by the time I get my pup from Tarheel my dog does not have DM or to the very least is just a carrier but I prefer the former.

Sadly Jaeger's the only male left at Tarheel right now...

You're the alpha male now Jaeger. Blaze will be watching you. I'll leave the rest of this to the other thread.

arianwenarie · Post by **arianwenarie** » Fri May 11, 2012 5:28 pm

With the DM testing, breeders know that a dog tested "At Risk" will never be mated to any dog other than "Clear". If I remember the punnet square thing correctly, then the offspring, theoretically, have a 50% chance of being clear or carrier and never "At Risk". If you breed "At Risk" to "Carrier", then there can be "Clear", "Carrier" and/or "At Risk" puppies produced.

Tiantai · Post by **Tiantai** » Fri May 11, 2012 5:36 pm

arianwenarie wrote:With the DM testing, breeders know that a dog tested "At Risk" will never be mated to any dog other than "Clear". If I remember the punnet square thing correctly, then the offspring, theoretically, have a 50% chance of being clear or carrier and never "At Risk". If you breed "At Risk" to "Carrier", then there can be "Clear", "Carrier" and/or "At Risk" puppies produced.

Problem with the punnet square is that it's only a theoretical measure but there are always chances of things happening outside of the boxes. Although I agree with you that my pup would very unlikely inherit the level of DM at risk and more likely just a carrier.

Rahne · Post by **Rahne** » Fri May 11, 2012 5:40 pm

fangjingtuanlucas wrote:
arianwenarie wrote:With the DM testing, breeders know that a dog tested "At Risk" will never be mated to any dog other than "Clear". If I remember the punnet square thing correctly, then the offspring, theoretically, have a 50% chance of being clear or carrier and never "At Risk". If you breed "At Risk" to "Carrier", then there can be "Clear", "Carrier" and/or "At Risk" puppies produced.
Problem with the punnet square is that it's only a theoretical measure but there are always chances of things happening outside of the boxes. Although I agree with you that my pup would very unlikely inherit the level of DM at risk and more likely just a carrier.

That's not true Lucas! A dog that is 'At Risk' mated with a 'Clear' will only produce 'Carriers', there are NO other possibilities.

arianwenarie · Post by **arianwenarie** » Fri May 11, 2012 5:41 pm

Rahne wrote: A dog that is 'At Risk' mated with a 'Clear' will only produce 'Carriers', there are NO other possibilities.

Thanks for the clarification, Rahne. I knew there was something wrong with my memory of punnet squares. lol.

Tiantai · Post by **Tiantai** » Fri May 11, 2012 5:42 pm

Then my analytical biology professor lied to me

I'm glad then that the chances are 100% for NO risk

Rahne · Post by **Rahne** » Fri May 11, 2012 6:30 pm

fangjingtuanlucas wrote:Then my analytical biology professor lied to me
I'm glad then that the chances are 100% for NO risk

Maybe he meant something else? DM is recessive so the pups will inherit ONE gene from both the parents. If one of the parents has two 'normal' genes (clear) it can only pass on a 'normal' gene. The other parent has two 'mutated genes' (at risk) and so can only pass on a 'mutated' gene. Pups will all have on 'normal' and one 'mutated' gene thus being carriers.

Tiantai · Post by **Tiantai** » Fri May 11, 2012 6:46 pm

Glad to hear that my pup won't be at risk although I'm still concern about their father nonetheless. I know he is a healthy dog and can almost trot like a wolf don't get me wrong. Not only do I plan to get a pup from a Jaeger x Kana litter but I also want to go back down there to visit and take my dog back with me to give him/her a chance to visit their parents though that's besides the point. Anyways, carrier or not, I WILL STILL get my dog tested when at the appropriate age. It's always better to know so that we can ensure that no more future dogs will be at risk and hopefully the number of carriers become less and less.

arianwenarie · Post by **arianwenarie** » Fri May 11, 2012 7:03 pm

Since the DM test is DNA based, you can test at any age.

Hawthorne · Post by **Hawthorne** » Sun May 13, 2012 1:01 am

fangjingtuanlucas wrote:Glad to hear that my pup won't be at risk although I'm still concern about their father nonetheless. I know he is a healthy dog and can almost trot like a wolf don't get me wrong. Not only do I plan to get a pup from a Jaeger x Kana litter but I also want to go back down there to visit and take my dog back with me to give him/her a chance to visit their parents though that's besides the point. Anyways, carrier or not, I WILL STILL get my dog tested when at the appropriate age. It's always better to know so that we can ensure that no more future dogs will be at risk and hopefully the number of carriers become less and less.

If you get a Kana x Jeager pup it will be a carrier : NN x nn = Nn

as of your previous statement, perhaps you were thinking of genetic mutations?

Tiantai · Post by **Tiantai** » Sun May 13, 2012 5:19 am

Hawthorne wrote: as of your previous statement, perhaps you were thinking of genetic mutations?

Yeah that was exactly what I confused myself with

Post by **Nino** » Sun May 13, 2012 2:22 pm

you shouldn't need to test your pup from a Jaegar mating.
He would always be bred to a clear female, and all the pups would be carriers, therefore no need for spending the money on testing that better on something else

Tiantai · Post by **Tiantai** » Mon May 14, 2012 1:08 pm

Oh I'll hip-score and eye-test for sure!

Post by **Nino** » Mon May 14, 2012 10:58 pm

There is always extra tests to have done.. the Hip and Eye is only the minimum

Hawthorne · Post by **Hawthorne** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:48 pm

Darwin is clear for DM. Results were posted to our account today and should be public soon.
Yay!

(edit: link added)

public link to test results: http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1523086#animal

AZDehlin · Post by **AZDehlin** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:59 pm

Great News

Post by **TerriHolt** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:38 pm

Yay...!

Tiantai · Post by **Tiantai** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:57 pm

One less DM to worry about

JulieSmith · Post by **JulieSmith** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:15 pm

Good news

Blustag · Post by **Blustag** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:56 pm

Great news

susann · Post by **susann** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:29 pm

HiTenshi16 · Post by **HiTenshi16** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:23 pm

Great news

Eventide · Post by **Eventide** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:31 am

Max (Hawthorne Hellroaring Canyon) is clear (normal)!

http://www.offa.org/results.html?printable=results

Post by **Tarheel** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:52 am

More good news, Congrats

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